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  • St. John
    Rank 4 Registered User
    • Jan 2018
    • 545

    Originally posted by benibaz View Post

    Hello St.John, I am a pensioner receiving two pensions,one from the UK and the other from Spain.
    You should be okay then, private pensions should not be affected. It only affects EU employee pensions because the EU opted not to have a pension pot and run it like a proper pension scheme, so pensions are paid by whoever is in the EU at any given time through annual contributions. This was so when Britain joined, even though the pensioners then had not been employed whilst Britain was a member, Britain's annual contribution was still used to pay them, so the same is true in reverse now.

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    • Agent K
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • May 2005
      • 977

      Dont recall seeing that on the side of a bus?
      The government has agreed 104m of Brexit consultancy and other contracts since the referendum.

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      • St. John
        Rank 4 Registered User
        • Jan 2018
        • 545

        Well I don't remember seeing anything about the 2016 version of the EU on a bus in 1975, a) because I wasn't alive, and b) because it wasn't.

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        • Agent K
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • May 2005
          • 977

          Yet more money wasted (33M) don't recall seeing that on a side of a bus..............

          The incompetency of the government, from the top down is the worst this country has ever seen, sadly its matched by the opposition..

          UK government pays 33m to Eurotunnel after accusation of "secretive" no-deal Brexit ferry contracts.

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          • Lingo Dog
            Rank 2 Registered User
            • Oct 2018
            • 45

            Apparently the French were cross because we didn't ask Eurotunnel (rail transport) if they were likely to bid for the shipping. They had such a service but it was closed down a couple of years ago. I wonder who else will now demand damages? Aeroflot? One of the companies the government contacted withdrew because the Eire government withdrew support. Curiouser and curioser! One fact that was barely mentioned in all this noise was Eurotunnel are going to make some upgrades at their expense. How much it will cost them has not been disclosed. Aren't politics fun? Not.
            Last edited by Lingo Dog; 1st March 2019, 22:48. Reason: Spelling (again!)

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            • Moggy C
              Moderator
              • Jan 2000
              • 20529

              Originally posted by Agent K View Post
              Don't recall seeing that on the side of a bus?

              The government has agreed 104m of Brexit consultancy and other contracts since the referendum
              So are you suggesting the government (which you recall didn't want Brexit) shouldn't actually make any preparations for it? That's an odd train of thought.

              Moggy
              "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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              • Agent K
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • May 2005
                • 977

                Firstly what are they preparing for? Its not like we know what it will look like yet?!

                My point being this lie of 350M savings etc etc failed to point out to the intellectually challenged the reality of it.

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                • Bradburger
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 1437

                  Comedian Henning Wehn's assessment of Brexit and his question to the audience on Thursday's Question Time: -



                  Spot on I'd say.

                  Cheers

                  Paul
                  Last edited by Bradburger; 2nd March 2019, 18:13.
                  The most usless commodity in aerobatics is the amount of sky above you!

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                  • St. John
                    Rank 4 Registered User
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 545

                    Originally posted by Agent K View Post
                    Firstly what are they preparing for? Its not like we know what it will look like yet?!

                    My point being this lie of 350M savings etc etc failed to point out to the intellectually challenged the reality of it.
                    Show me the sign that said there'd be 350m of savings. The sign said that we send 350m per year to the EU. It's a gross figure but it's a fact.

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                    • trekbuster
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 876

                      I am afraid St.John it is not a fact we SEND 350m GROSS. This is a contradiction in terms. We have never sent that much because the rebate was taken off so NET the UK's contribution was closer to 240 million. So for Boris or anyone to say that we would take back control of 350m , or make 350m saving is just simply untrue.
                      https://fullfact.org/europe/350-mill...hority-misuse/
                      the head of the UK statistics authority sent Boris a letter to that effect
                      https://www.statisticsauthority.gov....-Secretary.pdf
                      Last edited by trekbuster; 4th March 2019, 18:06.

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                      • St. John
                        Rank 4 Registered User
                        • Jan 2018
                        • 545

                        Originally posted by trekbuster View Post
                        I am afraid St.John it is not a fact we SEND 350m GROSS. This is a contradiction in terms. We have never sent that much because the rebate was taken off so NET the UK's contribution was closer to 240 million. So for Boris or anyone to say that we would take back control of 350m , or make 350m saving is just simply untrue.
                        https://fullfact.org/europe/350-mill...hority-misuse/
                        the head of the UK statistics authority sent Boris a letter to that effect
                        https://www.statisticsauthority.gov....-Secretary.pdf
                        That's semantics though. The gross figure is still 350m, the rebate is taken out of that. But even the rebate plus public sector receipts still amounts to less than what France receives in public sector receipts alone. So I still don't see that it's misleading as a gross figure I'm afraid.

                        The debate your making here is along the lines of someone saying they get paid 40k per year because their annual salary is 40,000, but in reality income tax and NI is taken out of that before they ever receive it, so is it a lie to say they get paid 40k per year? I don't think most people would see that as a lie, since tax and NI is a given, as is the rebate and public sector receipts. And bear in mind that that 350m figure doesn't include remittances, overseas child benefit payments, subsidisation of students at UK universities, EU prisoners in UK jails and others costs like burdening of infrastructure and cost of regulations to business.

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                        • Agent K
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • May 2005
                          • 977

                          It'll be fine they said...... they need us more than we do them...........
                          Both firms say production of their cars in the UK is at risk if Britain leaves the EU without a deal.

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                          • trekbuster
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 876

                            Originally posted by St. John View Post
                            That's semantics though. The gross figure is still 350m, the rebate is taken out of that. But even the rebate plus public sector receipts still amounts to less than what France receives in public sector receipts alone. So I still don't see that it's misleading as a gross figure I'm afraid.

                            The debate your making here is along the lines of someone saying they get paid 40k per year because their annual salary is 40,000, but in reality income tax and NI is taken out of that before they ever receive it, so is it a lie to say they get paid 40k per year? I don't think most people would see that as a lie, since tax and NI is a given, as is the rebate and public sector receipts. And bear in mind that that 350m figure doesn't include remittances, overseas child benefit payments, subsidisation of students at UK universities, EU prisoners in UK jails and others costs like burdening of infrastructure and cost of regulations to business.
                            No, sorry but you are muddle headed over this, as are most anti-EU people over this figure which has been entirely discredited. The real problem is the word SEND that you used and was on the side of the bus.
                            Your 40k salary analogy is ar@se about T@t. A much better analogy is the one in the lnk set out above, if you had read it you might have understood.
                            the cost to the UK and the rebate is actually more closely analogous to going into a car dealer and buying a car in a showroom. The list price is 35000, but you negotiate a 9000 discount. You then owe 26000 and pay it. You don't send them 35000 and they then give you back the 9000.You never contracted to send the car company 35000 so at no point have you actually owed 35000, nor could you say by NOT buying the car that you have SAVED 35000 or have taken back control of your 35000.
                            nobody assumes a cars list price is the price actually paid do they?
                            Last edited by trekbuster; 5th March 2019, 17:07.

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                            • St. John
                              Rank 4 Registered User
                              • Jan 2018
                              • 545

                              Originally posted by trekbuster View Post

                              No, sorry but you are muddle headed over this, as are most anti-EU people over this figure which has been entirely discredited. The real problem is the word SEND that you used and was on the side of the bus.
                              Your 40k salary analogy is ar@se about T@t. A much better analogy is the one in the lnk set out above, if you had read it you might have understood.
                              the cost to the UK and the rebate is actually more closely analogous to going into a car dealer and buying a car in a showroom. The list price is 35000, but you negotiate a 9000 discount. You then owe 26000 and pay it. You don't send them 35000 and they then give you back the 9000.You never contracted to send the car company 35000 so at no point have you actually owed 35000, nor could you say by NOT buying the car that you have SAVED 35000 or have taken back control of your 35000.
                              nobody assumes a cars list price is the price actually paid do they?
                              The 40k salary analogy is exactly right. A person will say they get paid 40k per year, however they only actually physically get paid maybe 28k into their bank account. But it's still not a lie because everyone with half a brain cell understands that income tax and NI get deducted prior to receipt in your bank. I mean do civil servants not pay any tax? The same is true for this 350m, except income tax and NI are replaced by rebate and public sector receipts. That the pro-EU brigade is seizing on an administrative simplification to suggest it's a some kind of sinister lie is ridiculous.

                              I mean, let's be honest here, did anyone in this thread not understand that the 350m was pre-rebate and public sector receipts? As the German comedian says in Bradburger's post, anyone who didn't understand that is simply stupid.

                              The reason why your car dealership analogy fails is because a discount is not a rebate.

                              rebate
                              https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/rebate
                              "an amount of money that is returned to you, especially by the government, for example when you have paid too much tax:"

                              discount

                              https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...glish/discount
                              "a reduction in the usual price:"

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                              • Agent K
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • May 2005
                                • 977

                                "Show me the sign that said there'd be 350m of savings. The sign said that we send 350m per year to the EU. It's a gross figure but it's a fact."

                                I'm sorry but you appear happy to be rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, to make a pointless argument, whilst it's sinking into the cold icy sea. That was the statement, that was the inference, fact. It didnt state save 179M but give 350M to the NHS or any other combination.

                                You'd be far better off having some passion and anger about reality about the mass exodus of businesses from the UK, it'll make that 350M paltry.


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                                • St. John
                                  Rank 4 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2018
                                  • 545

                                  Originally posted by Agent K View Post
                                  "Show me the sign that said there'd be 350m of savings. The sign said that we send 350m per year to the EU. It's a gross figure but it's a fact."

                                  I'm sorry but you appear happy to be rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, to make a pointless argument, whilst it's sinking into the cold icy sea. That was the statement, that was the inference, fact. It didnt state save 179M but give 350M to the NHS or any other combination.

                                  You'd be far better off having some passion and anger about reality about the mass exodus of businesses from the UK, it'll make that 350M paltry.

                                  It didn't state 'give the NHS 350m'. It stated, "Let's fund the NHS instead."

                                  That's May's fault for not preparing a proper no deal plan with tariffs and non-tariff barriers to make clear to those businesses that they'd effectively be completely excluded from the UK market if they left. At the moment she's giving off the impression of a deal or a low tariff no deal, and that's what's driving the businesses away.

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                                  • Lingo Dog
                                    Rank 2 Registered User
                                    • Oct 2018
                                    • 45

                                    Hey, Guys! Win, lose or draw we shall all learn in three weeks time. I refuse to get exercised over the matter.

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                                    • St. John
                                      Rank 4 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2018
                                      • 545

                                      Originally posted by Lingo Dog View Post
                                      Hey, Guys! Win, lose or draw we shall all learn in three weeks time. I refuse to get exercised over the matter.
                                      It will probably be delayed following the vote on the 12th March. But we can always hope that the EU will reject the delay.

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                                      • Beermat
                                        1 Registered Rank Loser
                                        • Oct 2009
                                        • 3586

                                        What are you hoping for, St John? That we do something potentially damaging but so quickly that we also do it in an ill-prepared and half-arsed way?
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                                        It's all good. Probably.

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                                        • Agent K
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • May 2005
                                          • 977

                                          Fascists threatening to collude with foreign fascists to block the sovereignty of U.K. parliament- theres a word for that sort of behaviour isnt there?

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