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    Depends on what you mean by super power,if you mean land mass and sheer scale of armed forces,maybe BUT that doesn't always workout that biggest is best.

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      The USSR has not been a Superpower in this century either...it was in the 1900's

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        Originally posted by mongu View Post
        Britain ruled half the world
        Factually incorrect whichever way you look at it population or territory wise-way off the mark in fact.Britain was predominantly a sea power that ruled with the exception of Indian subcontinent vast,sparsely populated territories in Africa,Australia and Canada.Britain did not enjoy overwhelming military superiority on land or sea against its technological peers in Europe combined or otherwise and the same applies to industrial production.And remember UK was shut out of Europe at one time or another by more powerful land powers.
        Last edited by nkvd; 16th March 2014, 12:33.

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          Originally posted by garryrussell View Post
          The USSR has not been a Superpower in this century either...it was in the 1900's
          I think you will find that almost everyone concurred that it was during the Cold War post-war period but if course you are entitled to your opinion.
          Charlie

          Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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            There's alot of huffing and puffing about some of the super powers.China and Korea,well they are a worrying pair at times with mad men seemingly controlling alot of power and hardware ,BUT how much is real and how much a lick of paint and showmanship.
            Fanatical ones with no fear of death or value to life are more of a worry.

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              China has grown too fast and is now feeling the pain. North Korea is a bankrupt poverty stricken dictatorship.

              Economically the US and China will remain one and two for the next few years but by 2025 it will be tea leaf time!
              Charlie

              Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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                Originally posted by trumper View Post
                Any country that has a weapon to wipe out the opposition is a superpower.Just a question on whether you can wipe them out before they wipe you out.I guess if you have 100 missiles compared to others 20 missiles then your success rate should be more but we will be beyond caring then.
                Hi All,
                It's not how many missile each side has it's the amount of MIRV's that are on top of each missile and being as they are cramming more and more in unless you actually are in the link nobody can be completely accurate with the data, we only get told what they want us to know and you can be sure that with the development of weapons that are in he open we don't have any idea what is behind the scenes. Like a duck on water looks like gliding along serenely while underneath paddling like mad.

                Geoff.

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                  Originally posted by 1batfastard View Post
                  Hi All,
                  It's not how many missile each side has it's the amount of MIRV's that are on top of each missile

                  Geoff.
                  Sorry to ask but what are they?

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                    Warheads, they split off on re entry and hit multiple targets ie multiple independant targetable re entry vehicle.

                    More bang for your buck.

                    Trouble is Putin has stuck his neck on the line over this and cannot be seen to be backing down, it would political suicide for him... Back to one man waving his willie in the air and willing to risk all of everyone else's lives to save face.

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                      Depends on what you mean by super power,if you mean land mass and sheer scale of armed forces,maybe BUT that doesn't always workout that biggest is best.
                      Well that would count the UK out, we are a shadow of military, do not believe the political rhetoric, the uk is a spent force incapable of anything but peace keeping, and then they would struggle.

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                        At the time it meant a combination of economic strength, military strength and capability and global influence and "reach".
                        Charlie

                        Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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                          France was a superpower in many points of its history.

                          At least a continental one.
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                            This morning the reality is that Crimea is yet again part of Russia and apart from diplomatic huffing and puffing and token sanctions there is nothing the West can do about it.

                            And while Obama and the rest criticise the illegality of the vote do they regard the overthrow of a democratically elected President in Kiev as legal? Double standards are strongly in evidence I feel.
                            Charlie

                            Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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                              Originally posted by TonyT View Post
                              The **** is just about to hit the proverbial fan

                              From pprune


                              Bloomberg is just reporting that the US has escalated even further, citing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, who "has claimed that in the case of an escalation of unrest in Crimea, the U.S. Army is ready to back up Ukraine and its allies in Europe with military actions.


                              http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...a-next-12.html
                              I think...joint chief general should sit back and smell the coffee beans.
                              If it looks good, it will fly good !
                              -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


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                                Well,if the figures are correct [which i doubt as many boycotted it ] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26607466
                                " Election officials in Crimea, where pro-Russian forces took control in February, say 97% of voters backed joining Russia. Moscow has said it will accept the result."
                                Sad times,no real winners in this.

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                                  Although I suppose Putin, his supporters and the majority of pro-Russian Ukrainians will see themselves as winners. I personally think the west has no choice but to accept the fait accompli and by diplomatic means make sure Russia accepts it as well and agrees to accept the result of the May election, which might not go the way the caretaker regime in Ukraine wants.
                                  Last edited by charliehunt; 17th March 2014, 17:19.
                                  Charlie

                                  Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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                                    The result of the voting is not really surprising, even if you don't trust Russia (and I never will), given the ethnic make-up of the Crimea and the historical background; the Crimea used to be part of Russia until 1954!

                                    My question is how did the Crimea ever become not part of Russia in 1954? It seems awfully strange for the Crimea to be moving in that direction, to become part of the Ukraine, at that time of expansion of the USSR and the darkest days of the Cold War. Wasn't Stalin still alive?
                                    WA$.

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                                      Call me old fashioned but repeatedly threatening to seize someones bank assets over a week or so, wouldnt you simply move them out of the said bank and into one on home turf before DDay strikes? I would.


                                      Again pussyfooting around the issue, the bans and planned sanctions etc should have happened as soon as the referendum results were announced. its ok setting deadlines, but you need to stick to them and act upon them, not simply stall the issue.
                                      Last edited by TonyT; 17th March 2014, 13:43.

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                                        1936...after hosting an impressive Olympics filled with propaganda and spectacle, Germany takes the Sudatenland, citing the people in the area are ethnically German. The UK (and the rest of Europe) is to weak to do more than complain.
                                        2014...after hosting an impressive Olympics filled with propaganda and spectacle, Russia takes the Crimea, citing the people in the area are ethnically Russian. The UK (and the rest of Europe) is to weak to do more than complain.

                                        I'm sure Obama has never studies any WWII history, his high school and university years were probably spent in "black studies" and any history classes were focused on how the bad capitalists exploited the working people. And two weeks after announcing his intention to take the US military to below pre-WWII levels, there isn't much he can do about Putin.
                                        Obama learned politics in Chicago (home of "dirty" American-style politics) and he thinks he's a tough guy. Mr. Putin is ex-KGB and really is a tough guy.

                                        So, like the US in the 30s...to caught up with economic troubles led by a fairly radical president busy exploiting worker discontent to increase his own power at home, if I were Europe, I wouldn't expect any real help from the US anytime soon.
                                        Last edited by J Boyle; 17th March 2014, 16:46.
                                        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                                          And the other side of the story to quote J Boyle's signature is the irony in the west pontifications about the illegality of the vote on Crimea whilst ignoring the entirely illegal and undemocratic overthrow of a democratically elected president. And what will they do in the event the pro-Russian wins the election in May??
                                          Charlie

                                          Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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