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  • scotavia
    scotavia
    • Nov 2005
    • 2834

    Any cost effective transponders ?

    With the approaching need for Uk aircraft to all have transponders what is the most cost effective one available. I am hoping that portable ones will be available.
  • BlueRobin
    Fast Moderator
    • Jan 2000
    • 3311

    #2
    Do you mean Mode-S?
    See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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    • scotavia
      scotavia
      • Nov 2005
      • 2834

      #3
      yes

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      • BlueRobin
        Fast Moderator
        • Jan 2000
        • 3311

        #4
        Seen a few being advertised on the GA mags. Uncertified it seems. Didn't the Minister or CAA state recently GA would be excluded from mandatory Mode-S fitment?
        See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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        • scotavia
          scotavia
          • Nov 2005
          • 2834

          #5
          I sure hope this is the case, with the approach of yearly CofA ,rising fuel and insurance costs operating a simple single engine older aircraft is getting more expensive.Its not surprising that sales of recent design lightweights are up,but when you are addicted to vintage aircraft its no substitute.

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          • Mark A
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2006
            • 97

            #6
            Supposedly this will be the answer to your prayers.

            My inclination is to wait as long as possible, as they are likely to come down to the price of current transponders once the sales volumes are up.

            With most of Europe mandating them sooner or later, the market should soon be swelling.

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            • Moggy C
              Moderator
              • Jan 2000
              • 20534

              #7
              Originally posted by Mark A View Post
              Supposedly this will be the answer to your prayers.
              Any idea of the likely price?

              Moggy
              "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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              • BlueRobin
                Fast Moderator
                • Jan 2000
                • 3311

                #8
                Nothing stated on their website:
                http://www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk/howtobuylast.php
                http://www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk/pr...ease210406.php
                See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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                • Moggy C
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 20534

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BlueRobin View Post
                  Nothing stated on their website:
                  Which was the reason I asked the question

                  Moggy
                  "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                  • BlueRobin
                    Fast Moderator
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 3311

                    #10
                    You can bet certification will take years if they go down that route
                    Then the paperwork fees will equal about 50% of the unit's price
                    Add another another 50% for labour.
                    So say a 1000 unit will instantly become 2000.

                    However

                    Is portable radio equipment exempt from certification? The Kinetics unit might be like use of portable GPS... Does it say anywhere you need a fitted and certified transponder for SSR use?
                    See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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                    • Mark A
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 97

                      #11
                      Part of the remit was to produce it to a price such that glider pilots, balloonatics etc, would come on board - about 500 for the LPST if I recall.

                      They do seem a bit cagy about quoting a price as, I guess, it'll depend a bit on the sales volumes they can expect.

                      As the RIA depends on it being affordable, it's a sort of chicken and egg situation.

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                      • Melvyn Hiscock
                        who are you?!
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 2839

                        #12
                        The problem is when they start bulding them cheap. There is a cheap radio on the market. I had one. It was totally unsuitable for its job. Apparently they are fine in gliders but I know a lot of people who have junked them from GA and microlight aeroplanes. It cost over 600 and I might as well have burned the cash for all the good it did.

                        The same company make a mode C transponder. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

                        Bet they introduce a mode S too.

                        Still won't touch it.

                        Here's hoping common sense prevails.

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                        • Rod1
                          Rank 4 Registered User
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 9

                          #13
                          According to some theoretical research carried out by the PFA the hand held unit concept is flawed for several reasons.

                          1 The detectable range is likely to be very low.
                          2 The occupants of the aircraft are likely to be exposed to above the EU health and safety levels of radiation.
                          3 the unit as specified will not meet international standards so would only be of use in the UK.
                          4 The unit does not yet exist in a completed form and no firm costs are available.

                          The French have issued exemptions to almost all its GA fleet, and the CAA have announced a second consultation and are in negotiation with the various GA groups on a compromise after less than 1% of the people who responded to the last consultation were in favour. I would strongly recommend that you wait, or buy a second hand mode a/c, which can be obtained for <200 if you have to have something.

                          Rod1

                          PS some people have got the microair to work.....
                          Last edited by Rod1; 27th January 2007, 22:06.

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                          • Hot_Charlie
                            ex tanker mate
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 655

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rod1 View Post
                            According to some theoretical research carried out by the PFA the hand held unit concept is flawed for several reasons.

                            1 The detectable range is likely to be very low.
                            2 The occupants of the aircraft are likely to be exposed to above the EU health and safety levels of radiation.
                            3 the unit as specified will not meet international standards so would only be of use in the UK.
                            4 The unit does not yet exist in a completed form and no firm costs are available.
                            Preferable to being dead though. Fewer radio calls along the lines of "Pop up traffic, 12 O'clock, 1 mile, no height information, probable glider" etc...

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                            • Melvyn Hiscock
                              who are you?!
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 2839

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rod1 View Post

                              PS some people have got the microair to work.....
                              Yeah, I met one. But just the one.

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