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  • Moggy C
    Moderator
    • Jan 2000
    • 20534

    Sums it up for me.

    It's been posted elsewhere, but if this video (must have sound) doesn't speak to you then the time to give up flying is now.

    Moggy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40_MzuKIGA
    "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.
  • Paul Rix
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2003
    • 242

    #2
    Impressive footage and soundtrack song.
    I'm not sure I would feel comfortable flying along a river like that below the treeline though. Not many options left to you if something was to go wrong.

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    • Dave Barrell
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2004
      • 193

      #3
      Aircraft type?

      500' rule? (probably not applicable in this case as it may well be in a country that doesn't have one)

      So if the mill stops - convert speed to height (not very high probably), land into the inevitable trees as slowly as possible or belly onto a convenient patch of sand next to the river.
      As the area looks like sparsely populated tundra, it might be that if one does survive a forced landing it may be a while before one is found, alternatively it might be a long walk out, fighting off the occasional peckish grizzly bear......

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      • DBW
        DBW
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Oct 2004
        • 199

        #4
        I'll jump in here DB before the inevitable 'it's 500 feet from person etc and not 500 feet from the ground'
        How does the pilot know that there isn't a group of hunters, fishermen, campers or just a couple sh**ing around the next bend!.

        I believe the 500 foot rule is an icao requirement and mostly worldwide unless a difference has been lodged.

        No argument with the rest though, not many options from a pull up from low level in a light aircraft except to aim for the smoothest bit.

        Still looks bl**dy good fun though.

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        • Moggy C
          Moderator
          • Jan 2000
          • 20534

          #5
          Originally posted by Dave Barrell
          Aircraft type?


          I believe it to be a Rans RV something or other.

          OK, there's a risk involved, but probably no greater in reality that that we take flying single engine across the channel.

          I doubt many people are too worried about the 500 ft rule out there in the wilds.

          Moggy
          "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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          • wessex boy
            Talking Baggage
            • Aug 2005
            • 1086

            #6
            I don't suppose there are that many NIMBYS complaining...
            J Atkins - A PPL once More!



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            • Paul Rix
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2003
              • 242

              #7
              I'm sure he is not disturbing anyone. I think the risk is to himself and passenger only. I'd think that flying in such close proximity to trees and the ground would pose a greater threat than a channel crossing though. One wrong move and you would be a bear's lunch.

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              • BlueRobin
                Fast Moderator
                • Jan 2000
                • 3311

                #8
                RV4, the V brace gives it away. Makes you want to fly one huh?
                See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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                • Moggy C
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 20534

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BlueRobin
                  Makes you want to fly one huh?
                  Yes please

                  Moggy
                  "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                  • Dave Barrell
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 193

                    #10
                    I'm not saying it's bad and shouldn't be done.
                    It's probably outside the rules but some would say they are there to be broken.
                    Some countries are a lot less strict than ours I guess, they probably suffer a lot less from nimby's also.
                    Yes, it probably is on a par with flying across a stretch of water, the risk and thrill are more than worth it to some people.
                    I'm sure DBW can remember times gone by when, as leader, I've led him into some questionable situations.

                    Someone who shall remain nameless just returned from a contract in southern Iraq flying a commercial high wing turboprop. In his own words he says it was the best ever flying, when asked why, the answer was that there was absolutely no regulation. No straight and level, no two departures or arrivals the same, steep approaches to make City Airport look like a picnic etc etc.
                    I know it's impractical to have no regulation over here but it does sound like a lot of fun....

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                    • Moggy C
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 20534

                      #11
                      Elsewhere there is a stupendous spat going on about the guy who flew under the bridge near Rochester this weekend.

                      It seems the world of flying divides into those for whom the rules are a boundary and those for whom the rules are a guideline.

                      Moggy
                      "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                      • BlueRobin
                        Fast Moderator
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 3311

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Moggy C
                        Yes please

                        Moggy
                        Mark A who posts here (and Ben Twings elsewhere) has one and recently completed its build.

                        The RV4 is cleared for aeros in the UK too. Sounds like an ideal PFA aircraft apart from the matched hole/rivet issue. Shame the later similar models like the -8 aren't (bureaucratically) cleared.
                        See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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                        • Moggy C
                          Moderator
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 20534

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BlueRobin
                          Sounds like an ideal PFA aircraft apart from the matched hole/rivet issue.
                          You'll need to elucidate

                          Moggy
                          "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                          • barrythemod
                            Back On The Naughty Step
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 1674

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Moggy C
                            It's been posted elsewhere, but if this video (must have sound)
                            Yeah,the song really compliments the flying.The music track is called Treetop Flyer ,written by Steven Stills ( who used to be in a little group called Crosby,Stills,Nash and Young a few years back ) and is performed here by the great Jimmy Buffett.
                            Last edited by barrythemod; 16th August 2006, 07:05.
                            -----------------------------------------------------
                            "I'm seventeen.I think I always will be."

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                            • Neil G
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 24

                              #15
                              On the same "you tube" website, try searching for "airliner races" and "mirage low flight" (if you haven't already seen them) for a crazy funny cartoon and some seriously low (below lighthouse level) jet flying. Bit off thread, but I enjoyed them!

                              Neil G

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                              • Swift
                                BAD2 WARTON
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 207

                                #16
                                Fantastic video, makes me wants to go and do it now.
                                Steve Young - 'Youngy'.
                                8th April 1969 - 24th July 2005.

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                                • GASML
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 661

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Swift
                                  Fantastic video, makes me wants to go and do it now.
                                  Eeeek!
                                  If you like slow-flying aeroplanes:
                                  www.biggles-biplane.com
                                  www.lutonminor.com

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                                  • Moggy C
                                    Moderator
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 20534

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by barrythemod
                                    ... and is performed here by the great Jimmy Buffett.
                                    Any relation to the famous Stall Buffett?

                                    Moggy
                                    "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                                    • wmmxf05
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2006
                                      • 18

                                      #19
                                      About 10 years ago on a trip with someone in Florida, the pilot said our 500 foot rule is not to fly above 500 feet over the Everglades. It did occurr to me to wonder about aligators. No mode S in sight either.

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                                      • BlueRobin
                                        Fast Moderator
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 3311

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Moggy C
                                        You'll need to elucidate

                                        Moggy
                                        How they improved on the RV6 to the RV7 (also applies to RV4 to RV8)

                                        But the biggest difference is the kit. Computer aided design and computer controlled production tools mean that the parts fit exactly as they should. Traditionally, the task of locating, aligning, drilling and preparing the thousands of rivet holes has fallen to the airplane builder. Its not particularly difficult, but it is repetitious and there are many opportunities for error. In the "matched hole" RV-7/7A kit, a computerized punch press locates and punches all the rivet holes during manufacture, so the builder can pull the parts out of the box, align the holes and begin assembly immediately.
                                        http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-7int.htm
                                        See how they wheel, bank and glide? Perfect. All in one.

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