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  • iscozzese
    Registered User
    • Nov 2007
    • 1

    Ryanair: cheap but...not cheerful... and safety?

    Please allow me to share with fellow readers/subscribers my latest experience with Ryanair.
    I choose to fly with them after a long time, mostly due to schedule choice. Experience: cheap is not cheerful.

    Flight FR7846: PIK-PSA Mon. 12 Nov. 07
    Senior cabin crew English language was very poor and spoke very fast therefore impossible to understand when making announcements. In case of an emergency, will be very difficult for passengers to understand any important announcements.:diablo:

    Flight FR7343: CIA-PIK Sat. 17 Nov 07
    Flight full, approx 180 passengers, priority check in charged but not available, all passengers transferred from the gate to the aircraft on the same bus.
    On an earlier flight to Gatwick, easyjet priority boarding passenger transferred first with a smaller bus.
    Seats crashed next to each other like sardines, therefore the most unconfortable 3 hours flying time ever experienced.
    Once on board some passengers had up to 3 pieces of hand luggage each, therefore I can only guess that EU security restrictions are not followed. One passenger beside me had a rack sack, handbag, a picture frame of approx 100x100 cms and also a wall chart/tube (am guessing) rolled up, measuring approx 100 cm in length and 20 cm diameter.
    The passenger was sitting by the aisle, with one item was under the seat in front, the picture frame in the space between the knees and the seat in front of her and the wall chart/tube across the two seats, blocking completely any escape for the passenger and fellow passengers in the same row of seats.
    Cabin crew ignored completely this very important safety issues. After the cabin crew demonstrated all the safety measures, the issue was highlighted to a senior cabin crew member, and only then the items where stored safely elsewhere.
    I am not aware of cabin crew minimum height requirement, but a cabin crew member, even with her high heels, couldnt reach the overhead lockers. Can this also be a safety issue?
    This is not all, during the flight the co-pilot made an announcement that allegedly, and someone reported that a passenger smoked a cigarette in the rear toilets. Cabin staff sitting next to the toilets, didnt even noticed. The toilets are fitted with a smoke detector, therefore the question is: the device was in working order?

    Yes, Michael OLeary likes big profits on his pockets, but the safety and security of his paying passengers?
  • cal900
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2007
    • 257

    #2
    On the face of things there safety records, must be up there with the best.

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    • frankvw
      Moderator
      • Jan 2000
      • 6345

      #3
      I moved the thread to trip reports...
      Regards,

      Frank

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      • SHAMROCK321
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2004
        • 2544

        #4
        Ive been on a flight EI FRA-DUB when a passenger started smoking in the toilets.

        I didnt hear the smoke alarm and because you didnt either doesnt meen they werent working.

        Hand luggage restrictions need to be enforced by Ryanairs handling agent in CIA, the cabin crw cant really do anything once the passenger is on board and FR dont gate check bags.

        FR have alot of crew from all around Europe and some do have difficult to understand accents hence why they have pre-recorded safety announcements.

        The problem with badly stored cabin luggage was picked up on before the plane took off so it wasnt really a problem.

        And as Cal900 says Ryanair have one of the best safety records around.

        One last thing when you mention that passengers cant understand the safety announcements why have you got that cheeky smile afterwards?
        Do you think its funny?

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        • Jet 22
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • May 2007
          • 347

          #5
          When you talk about safety and security for passengers for ryanair you could be talking to a brick wall. Ryanair are a LCC which means they have to exicute there planes for at least 18 if not more hours a day which is why the cabin crew didnt speak english on the way there beacuse the crew were operating a leg THAT should of been done by a ENGLISH crew.

          AS for the smoking issue.it is simple. Did you see any Smoke in the Cabin Could you smell the smoke(has a good disdinctive smell)
          NICK

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          • wannabe pilot
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jul 2003
            • 3652

            #6
            Originally posted by Jet 22 View Post
            When you talk about safety and security for passengers for ryanair you could be talking to a brick wall. Ryanair are a LCC which means they have to exicute there planes for at least 18 if not more hours a day which is why the cabin crew didnt speak english on the way there beacuse the crew were operating a leg THAT should of been done by a ENGLISH crew.
            I've never heard such an inaccurate post. The cabin crew didn't speak English, because they were operating a leg that should of (have!) been done by an English crew?!

            Since when do flights from England have to be operated by an English cabin crew? Have you ever considered that either they were foreigners working in Britain, or that they may have been based in Italy and operating from Pisa-Prestwick-Pisa. In that case what are they meant to do....get off the plane in Prestwick and walk home?!
            Last edited by Grey Area; 30th November 2007, 17:41. Reason: Fixing Broken Quote

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            • Jet 22
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • May 2007
              • 347

              #7
              ^^ NO what i mant to say is that if they are cabin crew opearting on a leg which has english passengers english should be like italian to them. It should be just straight off the tounge. (But i think that should only apply to Senior Cabin Crew Members)

              Or why dont they have a Screen so that when this problem accurs they can have a video that speak english to english passengers.

              You see Easy Jet dont have problems like this beacuse they insure that at Least 2 members of cabin crew can speak fluent english.

              What about the application from that says that have to very fluent in a 2nd Language and as Enlgish is the most widley spoke language around the earth English should be on the Application form
              NICK

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              • OneLeft
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • May 2003
                • 1099

                #8
                Just to clarify one point: English is considered the common language throughout the aviation industry. All flight and cabin crew and air traffic controllers should be able to speak English.

                Although I doubt this to be true around the globe, it certainly should be true throughout Europe.

                1L.
                Last edited by OneLeft; 30th November 2007, 20:45.

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                • frankvw
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 6345

                  #9
                  Jet22, please, check your spelling!
                  Regards,

                  Frank

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                  • adamdowley
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1399

                    #10
                    RE the English language thing: turn it around slightly - a series of recent Hajj pilgrimage flights were crewed by an all English, non-French speaking cabin crew. The passengers were all French Muslims and none of them spoke English.

                    So, it may be safe to say that lanaguage problems and incompatibilities are perhaps a common issue.
                    Last edited by adamdowley; 30th November 2007, 21:34.

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                    • bmi-star
                      EGOV local
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 4366

                      #11
                      I had a problem as well on my Air Berlin flights, which they did a detailed saftey brefing, but a very poor one in English - and this was on a Manchester-Stansted flight!!

                      But Ryanair are known for emplyoing a multi-national crew and lingustics must be taught correctly, especially on ex-British flights.
                      Regards, Elgan

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                      • Rickt
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 555

                        #12
                        I have flown with FR many times now AND never had an issue.

                        Yes, the staff are not the happiest most of the time and it is like getting on a bus, however the service they do provide, ie getting you from one place to another in time safely is a pretty good record.

                        In regards to leg room,, seat pitch, for a low cost airline its pretty good and the added bonus is no one can recline there seat which ensures you all have equal room!.

                        In regards to the smoking, a trigger alarm would of been activated on the deck... its not going to be a loud fire alarm @ 35,000ft... can you imagine the panic!

                        in regards to hand luggage, Its upto security and check in to stop you if you have too much stuff..

                        In regards to you saying theres a rule about one item....... just think of all the things you can purchase in duty free??? if you was only allowed one item these shops would not be able to trade as they do!!

                        I think your rant about FR does not include any real points to be honest,

                        Cheers
                        You can also find me on a ground level forum www.vwaudiforum.co.uk

                        RickT

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                        • steve rowell
                          Expat Geordie
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 13281

                          #13
                          Originally posted by OneLeft View Post
                          Just to clarify one point: English is considered the common language throughout the aviation industry. All flight and cabin crew and air traffic controllers should be able to speak English.

                          Although I doubt this to be true around the globe, it certainly should be true throughout Europe.

                          1L.
                          Tell that to the French!!
                          Best Regards Steve

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                          • pauldyson1uk
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 530

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SHAMROCK321 View Post
                            Ive been on a flight EI FRA-DUB when a passenger started smoking in the toilets.

                            I didnt hear the smoke alarm and because you didnt either doesnt meen they werent working.

                            Hand luggage restrictions need to be enforced by Ryanairs handling agent in CIA, the cabin crw cant really do anything once the passenger is on board and FR dont gate check bags.

                            FR have alot of crew from all around Europe and some do have difficult to understand accents hence why they have pre-recorded safety announcements.

                            The problem with badly stored cabin luggage was picked up on before the plane took off so it wasnt really a problem.

                            And as Cal900 says Ryanair have one of the best safety records around.

                            One last thing when you mention that passengers cant understand the safety announcements why have you got that cheeky smile afterwards?
                            Do you think its funny?
                            Why should FR gate check bags,what is the point of this,passenegrs go thought security before they go airside andeverything that ou can buy airside is security screened.Every FR passeneger that flys in Europe can buy 10 liters of spirts and what ever perfume and aftershave they want,do you want gate staff,who are not FR staff to check all bags again,It just would not work.

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                            • SHAMROCK321
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2544

                              #15
                              Did I say FR should gate check bags? NO I DIDNT!

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                              • Skymonster
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1986

                                #16
                                Good old Ryanair - pay peanuts, get monkies!

                                A
                                "Light travels faster than sound-that's why some people seem bright until they speak"
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                                • gary o
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2006
                                  • 567

                                  #17
                                  I flew DUB-PIK-DUB recently with FR,and i find the cabins quite comfortable,i was on EI-DAO,which has the non-fabric seating.I'm 6 foot 3,and of wide build and i didnt have a problem with the seating.If you dont like crowded flights then dont fly at peak times.Any flight by any airline at peak times is likely to be full,hence the term peak times.

                                  I'd like to point out the facts when it comes to ryanair,they are what they are,they're not pretending to offer a service that isnt there,year on year more passengers fly with ryanair.......so they must be doing something right.
                                  My Jetphotos:
                                  http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=20464

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                                  • Sunnyzsz
                                    Junior Member
                                    • Dec 2007
                                    • 4

                                    #18
                                    FR s

                                    Hey all,

                                    This is my first post so be nice to me hehe

                                    I have only flown FR twice but on both trips (four flights in total) I had serious concerns with safety and basic procedures performed by the Cabin Crew

                                    Last year I flew on a flight from Bournemouth airport to Prestwick(so called Glasgow by FR) and while boarding the Boeing 738 I spotted the emergency slid pressure indicator was well into the red (being senior cabin crew you tend to automatically check these things with out thinking!). When I informed the senior crew member of this problem (he is a good friend, who has since left FR and gone to MON) he said he had reported the issue to the Capt and they had been told to carry on with the flight as planned. Admittedly the flight was NOT full, however there was only around eight seats not used, which meant the flight should have not departed with this emergency exit being unserviceable.

                                    On the return flight it was on time, however there was only one bathroom that was working and they could not serve hot drinks due to an issue with the galley power.

                                    I dont understand how FR can be so useless with maintenance! They dont seem to bother. My friends who work for FR say its an issue with the ground crew, all problems are always reported but sometimes an aircraft can continue to fly with quite bothersome faults for over three weeks, something that I have never heard off on LCC such as SouthWest, EasyJet and Air Berlin Certainly never heard of any such long term problems on FlyBE!

                                    As for the smoke detection (alarm) system on the aircraft, you should certainly be able to hear it! When these detectors are activated a continual beeping is heard in the toilet (not that loud, but enough for the PAX to be informed he/she has been caught out. The Cabin Crew will be alerted by the cabin alert system, newer aircraft will also display messages on the Cabin Crews info screens (front, back or both) and on newer aircraft (most aircraft built since early 80s) the flight deck crew will also notified by a caution rated message on the EICAS screen/s.

                                    Its extremely important the Cabin Crew are alerted the very second ANY cabin smoke alarm is activated, seconds count and too much of a delay would be caused if only the FD were informed and they had to then pass such a message on to the Cabin Crew.

                                    In the case of Ryan Air growing, they are however market research shows that they are towards the bottom of the pile for repeat passengers (when compared to Easy, Thomson, Jet2) and it gets even worse when you take business passengers into account. If they can sort out their ever mounting delays they should be able to start winning people back.

                                    Cheap fares will always bring people in, but it has to be match to the basic service your competitors are offering, if you cant your passengers will think twice before returning

                                    As a while I think the idea of FR is a good one, its just sometimes badly implemented.

                                    Kimberly Richmond-Jones
                                    CSM

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                                    • gary o
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 567

                                      #19
                                      With regards to carrying tech faults for periods of time,i can assure you this is common practice at every airline throught out the world.The rules which ryanair abide by are made by the Irish Aviation Authority,i can assure you that ryanair have many dedicated & alot of very experienced people in the maintenance department.,how do i know this is because i'm part of it.Every little fault no matter how trivial is reported & dealt with in accordance with IAA procedures,the manufacturer Boeing provied manuals that gives time limits for faulty parts that can be carried,The IAA overlook the system so that there are no breaches of procedure,in the event of a serious fault we dont hesitate to ground the aircraft & repair the problem.
                                      My Jetphotos:
                                      http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=20464

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                                      • steve rowell
                                        Expat Geordie
                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 13281

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Sunnyzsz View Post
                                        Hey all,

                                        This is my first post so be nice to me hehe

                                        I have only flown FR twice but on both trips (four flights in total) I had serious concerns with safety and basic procedures performed by the Cabin Crew

                                        Last year I flew on a flight from Bournemouth airport to Prestwick(so called Glasgow by FR) and while boarding the Boeing 738 I spotted the emergency slid pressure indicator was well into the red (being senior cabin crew you tend to automatically check these things with out thinking!). When I informed the senior crew member of this problem (he is a good friend, who has since left FR and gone to MON) he said he had reported the issue to the Capt and they had been told to carry on with the flight as planned. Admittedly the flight was NOT full, however there was only around eight seats not used, which meant the flight should have not departed with this emergency exit being unserviceable.

                                        On the return flight it was on time, however there was only one bathroom that was working and they could not serve hot drinks due to an issue with the galley power.

                                        I dont understand how FR can be so useless with maintenance! They dont seem to bother. My friends who work for FR say its an issue with the ground crew, all problems are always reported but sometimes an aircraft can continue to fly with quite bothersome faults for over three weeks, something that I have never heard off on LCC such as SouthWest, EasyJet and Air Berlin Certainly never heard of any such long term problems on FlyBE!

                                        As for the smoke detection (alarm) system on the aircraft, you should certainly be able to hear it! When these detectors are activated a continual beeping is heard in the toilet (not that loud, but enough for the PAX to be informed he/she has been caught out. The Cabin Crew will be alerted by the cabin alert system, newer aircraft will also display messages on the Cabin Crews info screens (front, back or both) and on newer aircraft (most aircraft built since early 80s) the flight deck crew will also notified by a caution rated message on the EICAS screen/s.

                                        Its extremely important the Cabin Crew are alerted the very second ANY cabin smoke alarm is activated, seconds count and too much of a delay would be caused if only the FD were informed and they had to then pass such a message on to the Cabin Crew.

                                        In the case of Ryan Air growing, they are however market research shows that they are towards the bottom of the pile for repeat passengers (when compared to Easy, Thomson, Jet2) and it gets even worse when you take business passengers into account. If they can sort out their ever mounting delays they should be able to start winning people back.

                                        Cheap fares will always bring people in, but it has to be match to the basic service your competitors are offering, if you cant your passengers will think twice before returning

                                        As a while I think the idea of FR is a good one, its just sometimes badly implemented.

                                        Kimberly Richmond-Jones
                                        CSM
                                        Welcome Kim..it's nice to have a member of the fairer sex on board
                                        Best Regards Steve

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