Read the forum code of contact
By: - 18th May 2011 at 09:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
last time i can recall seeing a Caravelle was at Ibiza in 1982, not sure what airlione though
By: - 18th May 2011 at 11:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Minerve Caravelle at Orly - the most dismal airline livery I have ever come across. This was their full livery! Their DC8 was painted similarly.
Have you not seen the new Finnair livery?
Excellent post VeeOne.
By: - 18th May 2011 at 13:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
might have been an LTU one i saw in 82
By: - 18th May 2011 at 13:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There were only a few Caravelle freighters built, but in America some old versions without freight doors were used as Parcel Freighters
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=mick+west+caravelle+le+bourget&range=&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Midwest---Airborne/Sud-SE-210-Caravelle/0502130/M/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Airborne-Express/Sud-SE-210-Caravelle/0002825/L/ (this was one of the first photos on A.net)
By: - 18th May 2011 at 14:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
My first flight was in a Caravelle. Nice to see some pictures.
By: - 18th May 2011 at 18:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Caravelle was build by Sud Aviation (Sud Est) as the sE-210 and the prototype used a drogue chute on landings.
I never saw a Caravelle use a 'chute but they were used in service
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Sud-SE-210-Caravelle/0716050/L/
And I believe Aeroflot Tu-104s did also
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=TU-104+parachute&range=&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=
By: - 19th May 2011 at 08:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A beautiful, beautiful aircraft........but I am unashamedly biased:)
I have been lucky enough to have flown on Caravelles more than once. They were Transeuropa, STN-PMI-STN, Sterling STN-EBJ-STN and finally Transwede, STN-ARN-STN. I always liked the look of the Transeuropa colours, especially the dark area around the flight deck glazing. I have always thought that the F28 was a good looking follow on from the Caravelle, but that French beauty will always be the 'aeronautical love' of my life ;)
By: - 20th May 2011 at 02:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
seats
Flew from Marseille on a Caravelle about 1979 and remember that the seats faced each other!
By: - 20th May 2011 at 03:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I never saw a Caravelle use a 'chute but they were used in servicehttp://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Sud-SE-210-Caravelle/0716050/L/
And I believe Aeroflot Tu-104s did also
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=TU-104+parachute&range=&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=
Indeed they were. Rngway in the late 60's early 70's it was common for the Air France versions to drop a chute on landing. Can't remember if the Alitalia ones did.
Agreed, it is perhaps the most beautiful Jet Airliner ever made (Along with the VC10 and the Concorde of course). And the 707. And, the Trident. And, the Convair 990. Mustn't forget the 747. OK, DC8.
By: - 20th May 2011 at 08:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
think it was the norm, but Cambrian BAC1-11s had seats facing each other on both sides at the over wing emergency exits
also in the same era i flew on an Aviogenes TU-134A and the first 12 rows were made up of groups of 4 seats facing each other rather like a train.
By: - 20th May 2011 at 08:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed they were. Rngway in the late 60's early 70's it was common for the Air France versions to drop a chute on landing. Can't remember if the Alitalia ones did.
Agreed, it is perhaps the most beautiful Jet Airliner ever made (Along with the VC10 and the Concorde of course). And the 707. And, the Trident. And, the Convair 990. Mustn't forget the 747. OK, DC8.
In those days, as there was no CAD systems, the designs of those beautiful craft came direct from the minds of human designers, and not microchips. The results being self evident.
By: - 20th May 2011 at 15:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I concur, Captain :)
The Dan-Air London One-Eleven I flew on once had facing seats at the overwing emergency exit too. Lots of legroom. The EAS caravelle I went to Paris on didn't seem to have facing seats. But the seats were of a basic standard, cloth and aluminium poles. There was no cockpit door, just a curtain that could be pulled across but on our flights was partly open. That would surely deter cockpit invasions these days. :)
Great designs, great days.
By: - 4th June 2011 at 10:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Lovely a/c the Caravelle... ISTR that the wing was also Comet based ???
rgds baz
By: - 4th June 2011 at 21:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From memory didn't the Caravelle have the De Havilland Comet cockpit?
I love the Caravelle windows, unique shape not seen on any other aircraft to my knowledge?
By: - 4th June 2011 at 22:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They did indeed work with DH to utilise a slightly modified Comet nose section. Later Caravelles featured a very different flight deck glazing configuration, to greatly improve the field of vision for the crew. I believe that Sud took the opportunity to modernise the flight deck layout at the same time
By: - 5th June 2011 at 06:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I love the Caravelle windows, unique shape not seen on any other aircraft to my knowledge?
The North American Sabreliner 40 and 60 (and T-39) series had basically similar windows.
Designed I'm told, to maximize views of the ground while limiting the sun's heat.
By: - 5th June 2011 at 21:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ahhh always wondered what the design theory was behind this, Many Thanks
By: - 5th June 2011 at 22:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They did indeed work with DH to utilise a slightly modified Comet nose section. Later Caravelles featured a very different flight deck glazing configuration, to greatly improve the field of vision for the crew. I believe that Sud took the opportunity to modernise the flight deck layout at the same time
Any idea which mark of Caravelle had the Comet type cockpit?
By: - 6th June 2011 at 00:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Imagine how pretty it would have been as a 3 holer!
If it wasn't for the RR Avon being so good, it would have been.
As Sud leased the build licence from DH, they proably used that design for all marques. The 12 looks like the 1 to me, but the picture of the 1 is very old and tired.
By: - 6th June 2011 at 19:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I missed the golden age of the caravelle but did see them as charters, here are some supers
actually the same aircraft as above
Transwede colors
rgds
EC
Posts: 390
By: VeeOne - 18th May 2011 at 00:05
THE CARAVELLE was introduced into service by Air France in the mid 1950s. It was built so quickly as it used the Comet nose and avionics. Although the comet 1 and 2 were first to start regular airline operations they were withdrawn before long due to structural failures. I believe Air France, using a prototype Caravelle III, were the first to operate a jet airliner on *sustained* services (once the jetliner was introduced on AF routes it remained on them until the late 1970s).
The Caravelle was build by Sud Aviation (Sud Est) as the sE-210 and the prototype used a drogue chute on landings. The most ubiqitous version was the Caravelle three but in the 1960s a more powerful version called the Super Caravelle (mk 10 - mk 13) was produced and used to replace the threes for a number of airlines (Finnair, Sterling, Air Inter etc) in place of using DC-9 or 737 types. I guess personnel re-training and maintenance bills were much lower by staying with the same basic type.
This short-medium haul jetliner was ordered by almost all the main European carriers except Lufthansa. It was also used in the Americas. By the early 1970s these fleets of mainstay Caravelle types were being replaced by 727, 737 and DC-9 jets and the aircraft were sold to small holiday IT charter airlines across Europe. This was a very successful mode of use and these second-hand jets were used into the mid 1980s by charter operators. This is the era my photos pertain to although the Caravelle's true glory days were when most of Europe's primary airlines use the jetliner as its mainstay short-haul type. There were also IT charter airines that operated Caravelles during the 1960s like my favorite Caravelle airline; Transavia Holland.
Europe Aero Service Caravelle at Luton in 1982 in one of several similar liveries
Europe Aero Service Caravelle on Air France services in a second of several similar liveries
Air Charter Int'l Caravelle lifting off at Palma
Air Inter Super Caravelle rolling at Orly 1983
Altair Caravelle with Air Inter cheat line at Luton in 1982
Altair Super Caravelle in basic blue livery (from another airline, cannot recall which)
Altair Caravelle in classic livery - this is a nice retro look, even for the 1970s
Corse Air Caravelle in variation markings - probably an African lease-in as it has a TZ- registration and an African face?
CTA Caravelle - another classic look from Gatwick
Hispania Caravelle - one of the latter holiday charter airlines to use the Caravelle
Iberia Caravelle and DC8-43 at Heathrow in 1972 - I took this as a child because the two jets were the same colours.
Minerve Caravelle at Orly - the most dismal airline livery I have ever come across. This was their full livery! Their DC8 was painted similarly.
Trans Europa Caravelle - Gatwick again and that Gatwick Caravelle look that reminds me of the 1960s
