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By: - 4th March 2002 at 17:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair Lufthansa
So LH are jumping on the low cost bandwagon too? No surprises there then. Ryanair are expanding at an almost unbelievable rate, and many of the big carriers (BA, LH) have woken up and realised what a threat the low cost boys are. We're not just talking Ryanair either - Just look at how well Easyjet have done. Both EZY and FR have also placed bloody big aircraft orders, and Ryanair's boss seems to think he'll be bigger than BA in a few years time!
We also have the arrival of BMIbaby to contend with - EMA is an ideal airport for a low cost operation, even Go are setting up a base at this airport.
It remains to be seen how well the low cost carriers will do in the future though - The airline industry is never all that predictable, and I'm sure LH will do all they can to keep their share of the market safe. Could this be the honeymoon period for Ryanair? Or could it be the start of a serious decline for Lufthansa? We'll have to wait and see. My own personal view? I reckon LH will kick the upstart Irish carriers arse into orbit.....You don't mess with the big boys and expect them not to hit back. I even reckon struggling BA have a few aces up their sleeve too....
By: - 4th March 2002 at 22:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair Lufthansa
I think many people will find the big carriers low-cost off-shoots insincere I mean lets face it, if Ryanair & Easyjet hadn't come along do you think LH would be interested in offering better-value fares would Buzz have come along ?? I dont think so !
By: - 4th March 2002 at 23:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair Lufthansa
The issue I have is that the low-cost carriers do not cater for transfer pax.
They usually go to/from absurd airports in the middle of nowhere. It might be OK if you are going from point to point but as part of your journey, they not normally any use. I therefore say there is ample room for both oldie scheduled carriers and the new boys.
Which is one of the reasons why BA's decision not to serve transfer pax as such, is unusual to me!
By: - 4th March 2002 at 23:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ryanair? No chance!
Is this a new craze or something for larger carriers to start up lo-cost airlines?
It's probably the only money-making chance any of them have left and I say good luck to Ryanair because I don't think they stand a chance against the German Giant!
Lufthansa new Lufthansa Light may be a tad more expensive but I think some would rather pay that extra... don't you?
By: - 5th March 2002 at 07:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
Most of the airlines are hit on the long haul routes, and low cost airlines being cheap and as well connecting with out of the way airports is a good support for a major airline. Also remember the increasing number of passengers nowdays traveling by air....and they would ofcourse welcome low cost carriers, not everybody yet can afford Lufthansa, BA etc. even for short haul routes.
I think low cost airlines is a positivie addition in the aviation sector. Indeed Ryanair is spreading fast, even if it enters Germany, Lufthansa should not face a problem, they have one solid base. They were the only few airlineds which were not hit during Sep. 11 crises.
By: - 5th March 2002 at 13:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
"Low cost" is just a marketing tag.
Twice in the last year, I have gone to AMS on business. On both ocassions, Easyjet cost about 15% MORE than BA or BMI.
(1) The difference is only really in the published fares. BA might quote you £17,200 rtn in economy but will only charge you £100; EasyJet will publish 99p rtn but will charge you £115.
(2) And unless you live near one of the airports that Easyjet serve, BA is usually a bit more convenient.
Also, am I the only one that is getting fed up of 737's???
Feedback on (1) and (2) please??
By: - 5th March 2002 at 14:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
I partly agree.
I flew Ryanair between PAris and Dublin : they are by far the cheapest.
But they serve a small airport far away North of Paris (not CDG).
I agree too when you say that so caleed low fare are sometime more expensive than scheduled airlines.
Each time I flight to LAX (2 or 3 times a year) UA, DL or AF are the best fare.
By: - 5th March 2002 at 18:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
Not at all... dare I say it but I think the 737 is a load of cr*p and should be abolished. Okay, it's successful and just as popular as it ever was and probably will be for years to come but it's a boring aircraft... to fly on and to look at... it's just too common especially with lo-cost carriers like easyJet and Ryanair! :)
By: - 6th March 2002 at 12:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
Yes, I agree.
My Uncle had to fly from Glasgow to Dublin at short notice for a job interview last year, and it was cheaper to go BA (actually EI codeshare) than Ryanair. Also, the hastle of getting to PIK made Ryanair unfeasable over GLA.
Although, easyjet now fly GLA-DUB, maybe the added competition has made a difference?
And yes, I don't like 737s.
By: - 6th March 2002 at 17:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
Well I live 15 mins from one of the "out of the way" airports Liverpool, and Im glad they have come here. They are doing very well on all their routes from here and are taking considerable amount of business away from those airlines such as BA etc who have said there is no demand from this airport ! Rubbish !
By: - 6th March 2002 at 17:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
I'm glad Liverpool is getting these services - If we left it up to BA, then the smaller airports would never get a look in. The Merseyside airport generates a good number of passengers for EZY, and I'm told carries more PAX on the Amsterdam flights than MAN (which is flown by BA and KLM uk).
Even the neglected East Midlands Airport is getting low cost carriers - Go and BMIbaby - About time too!
By: - 6th March 2002 at 17:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
As for the 737, well I look at it like this - If airliners were cars, then the 737 would be a Ford Mondeo or Vauxhall Vectra. The 747 would be a BMW 7 Series, and Concorde would be a Ferrari...
By: - 6th March 2002 at 18:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: Ryanair? No chance!
Back to my comment about transfer passengers, though.
These "out of the way" airports need to stop thinking so much about point to point traffic and consider the transfer angle. That's how the big airports developed. Liverpool still has poor connections to mainstream destinations - eg LHR or CDG and until these are beefed up the low cost carriers are artificially limiting the size of their market.
Also - what on earth is the logic of unassigned seating???
It cannot surely cost very much to assign pax to seats rather than have a free seating arrangement. It can be a disincentive to groups of people travelling (eg. young families, couples).
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By: TheSpecialist - 4th March 2002 at 16:53
As some of you know: Ryanair wants to conquer Germany with low cost operations. Ryanair itself said it will attack Lufthansa, they even said that they can make Lufthansa bankrupt by flying below the price.
But ... Lufthansa doesn't want to let this happen. They'll start "Lufthansa Leicht" with some very nice paintings.
You're warned, Ryanair!
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