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By: - 13th October 2006 at 22:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I am sure someone told me that they can still fly in the UK? I check it out.
James
By: - 13th October 2006 at 23:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The first page of te EU document linked to above specifically states that "[DAS Air Cargo] operations are subject to a ban within the [European] Community".
"[DAS Air Cargo is] permitted to exercise traffic rights by using wet-leased aircraft of an air carrier which is not subject to an operating ban, provided that the relevant safety standards are complied with."
By: - 14th October 2006 at 17:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
DAS Air are still flying in and out today. I am sure papers will be shuffled and they will continue to carry on operating as they have done for many years. The UK CAA have no problem with the state of their aircraft or their procedures.
By: - 14th October 2006 at 17:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry Manson, but it seems DAS Air Cargo has been banned from European airspace. Note that this only applies to DAS planes, DAS is allowed to hire a subcharter from other airlines. At AMS for instance we have been getting a few Gemini Air Cargo planes to replace the DAS DC-10s.http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=16455
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/pdf/list_en.pdf
Strange that a DAS DC-10 rumbled in today from Amsterdam.
By: - 14th October 2006 at 18:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
i agree. this is making no sense. I see DAS air all the time. they even had 1 take off from gatwick yesterday to lagos.
Are we sure we are talking about the DAS air cargo or generally as an airline (they run 5 seperate parts of a DASIRO Air company !!
By: - 14th October 2006 at 18:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
i agree. this is making no sense. I see DAS air all the time. they even had 1 take off from gatwick yesterday to lagos.
There sure was one in LGW yesterday as i was there and i saw it.
By: - 14th October 2006 at 18:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
DAS Air are still flying in and out today. I am sure papers will be shuffled and they will continue to carry on operating as they have done for many years. The UK CAA have no problem with the state of their aircraft or their procedures.
The CAA are brillaint with aircraft its just the Damm EU I dont see anything wrong with DAS they have good aircraft? The EU are stupid :mad:
James
By: - 14th October 2006 at 18:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was under the impression that DAS were only on a 'yellow card' list - like I think PIA. This is where they are just monitered carefully but face no restrictions.
By: - 14th October 2006 at 18:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
if thats the case then this topic can be closed. LOL
I am all for DAs air cargo if they prove there worth. Manston on the other hand needs someone who is solid as an operator (i.e 0 mk airlines) and not jsut a new start up out to take over the world.
By: - 14th October 2006 at 19:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
BTW I'm not 100% on that - can anyone elaborate further?
By: - 14th October 2006 at 19:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, I saw it at AMS today. So either the list is wrong, or there is another DAS Air Cargo flying around? Could that be it?
By: - 17th October 2006 at 15:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
URGENT STATEMENT FROM DAIRO AIR SERVICES/DAS AIR CARGO
ON THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION BAN LISTING.
Date: 16 October 2006 : 15:00 GMT
Issued By Dairo Air Services, Uganda/ DAS Air Cargo
Dairo Air Services, Uganda wishes to put on record, in the strongest terms, its
objection over the decision by the European Commission to include both Dairo
Air Services and DAS Air Cargo on the most recent list of carriers banned from
operating into and out of the European Union.
Neither Dairo Air Services or DAS Air Cargo received any prior notification that
the European Commission was considering such action, nor has any
justification for this decision been received by the Ugandan Civil Aviation
Authority, the airlines controlling authority. Therefore the company has been
unable to exercise any right of defence, which is embodied within the spirit
and letter of the European Union Directive which established the list.
The Ugandan Civil Aviation Authority and the Airline have always responded
to all communication from European airworthiness authorities when received;
it is after all in the interest of both parties to do so. If any communication
from the European Commission had been received prior to the publication of
the list then we are certain that through dialogue an operating ban would
have been avoided.
The ban entered into effect from Midnight on 14 October 2006 and as a
consequence, all operations to and from Europe have been suspended.
In an effort to protect the business the company is making strenuous efforts
to have the ban lifted, whilst a period of consultation can take place to
resolve any concerns that the European Commission may have.
By: - 17th October 2006 at 18:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Cheers mate for info lets hope they do get to lift the ban stupid European Commission
james
By: - 17th October 2006 at 18:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Cheers mate for info lets hope they do get to lift the ban stupid European Commissionjames
This is not a decision from the EC. The ban is implemented by the pan-European Joint Aviation Autorities (JAA). If one of the JAA members decide to ban an airline, then the other European aviation autorities will follow. Untill we hear which autority originally banned DAS, and the reason behind it, we can not point fingers.
By: - 18th October 2006 at 14:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There's a DAS flight routeing Benghazi-Ostend-Gatwick today. It not one of their 5X machines but a Gemini Air Cargo DC-10....Interesting.
By: - 18th October 2006 at 18:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
DAS Air is using two Gemini aircraft in Europe until the situation is resolved, their own fleet are flying in Africa etc.
By: - 18th October 2006 at 22:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
DAS Air is using two Gemini aircraft in Europe until the situation is resolved, their own fleet are flying in Africa etc.
Cool at least its still a DC-10 but I hope Das gets the lift :(
James
By: - 4th November 2006 at 10:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
change topic slightly but i noticed Kent escapes programme next year will be run ASTRAEUS aircraft 737-800's or 757's cool stuff...
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By: tenthije - 13th October 2006 at 20:36
Sorry Manson, but it seems DAS Air Cargo has been banned from European airspace. Note that this only applies to DAS planes, DAS is allowed to hire a subcharter from other airlines. At AMS for instance we have been getting a few Gemini Air Cargo planes to replace the DAS DC-10s.
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=16455
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/pdf/list_en.pdf