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  • cloud_9
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Sep 2005
    • 2418

    Anyone flown Air Canada?

    Just a quick question, I am travelling to Calgary as part of my trip to Alaska in July/August, and my outbound flight from LHR is with Air Canada, but I have never flown with them before...can anyone tell me what type of aircraft I am likely to fly on (depart on 23rd July!), and has anyone flown with them, and if so, what was it like?

    Many thanks.
  • philgatwick05
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 1621

    #2
    I've never been with them but can give you the aircraft type:
    There are 2 daily flights with Air Canada:

    Air Canada
    AC 851 A330-300

    Air Canada
    AC853 B767-300


    Hope this helps

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    • Dantheman77
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jul 2004
      • 763

      #3
      Having previously flown Air Canada 4times (1x747-100-Toronto,1xDC9-Quebec-1xA340-Calagary,1x767-300-Calgary) they are a fantastic airline,In flight service is great with a wide choice from the IFE system,the food is above average with a varied choice, not just chicken or beef.

      BUT!!

      This was all befor Air Canada had its little financial problem, and now ive read somewhere that you pay $CDN 10 now for the comfort pack which consists of a pillow,light blanket,eye mask and toothbrush/paste, but you get to keep it for all other flights. it depends on how much you want to sleep, or look out of the window and see the wonderful landscapes that Canada has to offer.

      From what information you have left Cloud_9 it sounds like your doing a drive/cruise holiday...if u want more info,then im only happy to help!
      If you dont play this game with a big heart and a big bag of knuckles in front of the net you dont got dinky doo.......(Mike Myers, Mystery Alaska)

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      • Newforest
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Apr 2005
        • 8893

        #4
        Originally posted by Dantheman77
        Having previously flown Air Canada 4times (1x747-100-Toronto,1xDC9-Quebec-1xA340-Calagary,1x767-300-Calgary) they are a fantastic airline,In flight service is great with a wide choice from the IFE system,the food is above average with a varied choice, not just chicken or beef
        Last year I flew Toronto to Cuba and must agree that the food was superb, best airline food since I can't remember when. This is to congratulate them as I had intended to write them a message of praise.
        http://www.flightmemory.com/ I have been round the world 11.83 times!

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        • SHAMROCK321
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2004
          • 2544

          #5
          If you flying LHR-YYC you shouldnt have a problem. However if your flying LHR-YYZ-YYC back some extar cloths because baggage transfers through YYZ are a nightmare.

          Ive never flown them but handle AC in work and I know all about AC and delayed baggage.

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          • murph
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2005
            • 552

            #6
            Flew Frankfurt-Toronto on an A330 and quite frankly it was sub-standard comapred to the usual shiny features with IFE etc. Didn't evne have tv's in the seat backs!

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            • D.Stark
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Feb 2005
              • 91

              #7
              Originally posted by murph
              Flew Frankfurt-Toronto on an A330 and quite frankly it was sub-standard comapred to the usual shiny features with IFE etc. Didn't evne have tv's in the seat backs!
              That will change with the new 777's on order. Within NA they want to use the 787 from 2008. All the Airbus equipment is being traded in and the 767's sold off.

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              • Dantheman77
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jul 2004
                • 763

                #8
                Originally posted by D.Stark
                That will change with the new 777's on order. Within NA they want to use the 787 from 2008. All the Airbus equipment is being traded in and the 767's sold off.

                Even selling off there A340-500s?
                If you dont play this game with a big heart and a big bag of knuckles in front of the net you dont got dinky doo.......(Mike Myers, Mystery Alaska)

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                • BY767
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 326

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cloud_9
                  Just a quick question, I am travelling to Calgary as part of my trip to Alaska in July/August, and my outbound flight from LHR is with Air Canada, but I have never flown with them before...can anyone tell me what type of aircraft I am likely to fly on (depart on 23rd July!), and has anyone flown with them, and if so, what was it like?

                  Many thanks.
                  Cloud_9,

                  I flew LHR - YYC [AC853] B767-300 C-FMWV

                  and YYC - LHR [AC850] A330-200 C-GFUR...

                  ..In Oct/Nov 2004 and found Air Canada to be fairly good. The outbound flight to Calgary from London was virtually empty and the service was excellent! Plenty of food, drinks etc and really friendly F/As. The pillows and blankets were free, although this may not be the case now. Both flights were on time.

                  However coming back on the 850 the flight was full, the legroom seemed a lot less and the service was nowhere near as good.. The F/As were 'trolly grannies' and unfortuanately they seemed to be very stressed out and tired, perhaps not their fault but still it wasn't very good.

                  The lack of PTVs was poor I felt, especially on such long flights. I had to laugh though, on the A330 there was a space for them but instead of there being a screen it was covered over with material (held on by velcro!)

                  So in conclusion Air Canada are ok, not bad but certainly nothing special! From the experience I had it would appear it's very 'hit and miss' with the crew you get!

                  Regards,

                  Joe

                  PS - Calgary Immigration are horrible!

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                  • Manston Airport
                    Fokker Crazy
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 4798

                    #10
                    My brother is flying on them right this minute coming back home after a sking hoilday with the school (LHR-YYZ-YUL Stowe USA where the sking hoilday is-YUL-YYZ-LHR).
                    I tell you more about the Airline and aircraft he went when he gets home and post some pictures he said he take for me using my camara.


                    James
                    Looking forward to the 2010 airshow Season

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                    • cloud_9
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 2418

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dantheman77
                      From what information you have left Cloud_9 it sounds like your doing a drive/cruise holiday...
                      Well I am actually doing a air/rail/road/sea holiday all in one!

                      Fly to Calgary, drive to somewhere (can't remember off the top of my head!) and pick up the Rocky Mountaineer train to Vancouver, 7/8 day cruise to Alaska (get to go whale watching and glacier walking!) and cruise back to Seattle, spending 2 days there, and then fly back to LHR on BA in World Traveller Plus.

                      How cool is that!

                      Originally posted by Dantheman77
                      ...if u want more info,then im only happy to help!
                      Thanks, any help will be much appreciated. PM me if necessary.
                      Last edited by cloud_9; 19th February 2006, 14:20.

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                      • philgatwick05
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 1621

                        #12
                        Originally posted by D.Stark
                        That will change with the new 777's on order. Within NA they want to use the 787 from 2008. All the Airbus equipment is being traded in and the 767's sold off.
                        I thought the Pilots had rejected all that and so no new Boeing aircraft for the meantime - the fleet will remain as it is. See Boeing press release:

                        http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787...5/050618g.html

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                        • D.Stark
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 91

                          #13
                          Originally posted by philgatwick05
                          I thought the Pilots had rejected all that and so no new Boeing aircraft for the meantime - the fleet will remain as it is. See Boeing press release:

                          http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787...5/050618g.html
                          June 8, 2004???!!!

                          Old news! As everyone expected - the deal with Boeing was always still on. The federal labour arbitrator made his ruling and it was binding on Air Canada and the union. As soon as that ruling took place the talks with Boeing went ahead as if they never left off. From what was last reported, Boeing have allowed them to mix and match their fleet needs by dumping the 737 next gen and adding more 787s. In fact if Air Canada takes up all it's options they will be buying 60 787's! The 2 777F's in addtion to the other 777 orders were also a surprise as well - as before the labour issues, the freighters were not even mentioned in the first round of talks.

                          April 2005
                          http://www.airfax.com/airfax/release...se.asp?id=1362

                          Nov 2005
                          http://www.boeing.com/commercial/new...r_051109g.html

                          Now... (With more upgrades to the aircraft)
                          http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/sfw088.html?.v=45

                          Many people say good old Robert really used the union to drive an even better deal from Boeing then he had before. It was always interesting to see that the contract with Boeing was on condition that the union agree to lower wages or working condition changes. One could say he played each other off against each other and Airbus against Boeing. With this 6 Billion+ order, Air Canada has certainly been able to use volume discounts to drive a lower unit price. It now appears that they may keep the mid range Airbus aircraft for domestic routes instead of trading them in as per the earlier deal.

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                          • D.Stark
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 91

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dantheman77
                            Even selling off there A340-500s?
                            Trade in's!

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                            • Dantheman77
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 763

                              #15
                              Originally posted by D.Stark
                              Trade in's!
                              So what the hell are Boeing going to do with 2xA340-500, 10xA340-300 and 8xA330-300?
                              If you dont play this game with a big heart and a big bag of knuckles in front of the net you dont got dinky doo.......(Mike Myers, Mystery Alaska)

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                              • D.Stark
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 91

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Dantheman77
                                So what the hell are Boeing going to do with 2xA340-500, 10xA340-300 and 8xA330-300?
                                Send them to international lease finance? I'm sure someone will find a use for them. The 767's are being traded for the 787's and the 777's in model 8 and 9 form are replacing the A330's and 340's.

                                I think Air Canada just made a deal for regional jets for Jazz as well - EB's I think - 100 pax size.

                                I assume that the engine deal is for GE's - but you never know if they could go Trent 1000 if the price was really right. I haven't seen any engine deal signed yet. Air Canada does a big business in servicing other airlines maintenance needs both airframe and engines so you would have to figure that if they have gone Boeing this time, that they have done a deal on parts and service work in the contract.

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                                • MapleLeaf_330
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 473

                                  #17
                                  I think I'm the only Canadian to respond on the topic. I've flown them so many times, many of which were to LHR from YYZ (763/744).

                                  Air Canada are not too bad compared with other carriers. They definitely beat the US carriers, however, not as good as BA or QF. No, they don't have the personal entertainment systems yet, though the A350 fleet (which is not being sold--to my knowledge) will have them in the next twelve months.

                                  The staff are generally a bit older, though I've been pleasantly surprised with some younger staff of late. Leg room is not great, but food is pretty good. You only pay for "extras" on domestic legs.

                                  They have express check-in at Canadian airports (love it), not sure about the UK.

                                  The carrier has really turned things around in the past twenty-four months and survived some truly rocky moments. I recommend "The View from the Top: The Truth About Air Canada" by its CEO, Robert Milton.

                                  I can't believe how many people have flown AC.

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                                  • Manston Airport
                                    Fokker Crazy
                                    • Jul 2005
                                    • 4798

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by MapleLeaf_330
                                    No, they don't have the personal entertainment systems yet, though the A350 fleet (which is not being sold--to my knowledge) will have them in the next twelve months.


                                    Do you mean A330 not the A350?


                                    James
                                    Looking forward to the 2010 airshow Season

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                                    • MapleLeaf_330
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 473

                                      #19
                                      Sorry, A345

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                                      • greekdude1
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 3183

                                        #20
                                        AC is a good airline. I've flown them long and short haul. Most people will immediately jump on them due to lack of PTV's, but I flew them HNL-SYD and service, food, etc., was pretty good. I've gone away from flying them, however, in the last year or so as they have tightened their policy of mileage accrual for their partner airlines. I flew them from ORD to YUL in Sept. of 2004 and I didn't get credit for those flights. I called United and I was told that a few months prior to that mileage plus members can now only get credit on AC flights on certain classes of fares (I believe H class) and higher. So I avoid them now, and luckily UA puts their own metal on a lot of the routes AC used to fly exclusively with a UA codeshare.

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