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  • chornedsnorkack
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jul 2005
    • 1108

    Flat seats?

    Do you like to fly and sleep in "flat seats"?

    The space beneath a seat is a space useless for the legs of the passenger seated here, but convenient for the passenger behind to put his/her feet in.

    Stretching out so as to have feet level with head takes about over 6 feet or 70-s, 80-s inches, or more, depending on your size and incorporating the extra space to keep the clearance from your feet and over your head, plus the thickness of wall separating your feet from next head and your head from next feet.

    And it costs a lot to fly in so much real estate. Therefore it is cheaper and more affordable to buy some 50 or 60 inches pitch - and accept that your feet are lower than your head, and beneath someone elses **** or head.

    So, would you like to have your seatpan tilt so as to be completely on an inclined straight line with the footrest extending beneath the next seat and the reclined seatback? The incline would have to be appreciable to allow for the height of your feet and the thickness of the headrest ahead. You would tend to slide off feet first and have to be supported on some form of footrest.

    Or would you prefer to have your middle supported on something level or inclined opposite to your reclined seatback? So as to stop you from sliding down the bed? That is, a non-flat seat with tilted footrest and seatback, and seatpan in the middle giving support?

    Any opinions?
  • rdc1000
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2000
    • 1396

    #2
    Another Chornedsnorkack question/statement. I think I get the question, but I can't help feeling the rest has come from a written piece, probably in some flight review...if this is the case make sure you're referencing

    There are a wide variety of formats for premium seating, and in actual fact, many of the premium business products, which are lie flat (as opposed to fully flat) only take up a small amount under the seat infront so that the lie flat can be 170degrees. Furthemore the casements tend to be very large for these seat types, and so in many cases it may appear that your feet are just about to go under the seat in front of you, but in actual fact they are not under much more than seat moulding. Most airlines alreayd have foot rests on these seats because they do not have to be fully reclined, they have a variety of positions between upright and flat (or as flat as they go). There is no doubt that flying in any premium seat costs more, and the extra space required for this is one of the main reasons. But in many cases it is price that produces the selection of the seat, not the other way round, so I'm not sure that your questin has much value, because to answer it..... I'd much rather fly first class anytime, with fully flat seats and 78inch+ of personal space, but unfortunately cost tends to prohibit this. If cost were no issue I'd only ever fly first, with fully flat beds everytime. I think the same would be true of most people, and therefore I'm not sure you could expect too manyanswers from people saying they'd happily fly lie flat rather than fully flat if the airlines got rid of them.

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    • chornedsnorkack
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jul 2005
      • 1108

      #3
      Originally posted by rdc1000
      Another Chornedsnorkack question/statement. I think I get the question, but I can't help feeling the rest has come from a written piece, probably in some flight review...if this is the case make sure you're referencing
      No. It was thought up just for the compose box. If you think with this style it should be in a written flight review, be welcome to print it there for the first time - and reference ;-)
      Originally posted by rdc1000
      There are a wide variety of formats for premium seating, and in actual fact, many of the premium business products, which are lie flat (as opposed to fully flat) only take up a small amount under the seat infront so that the lie flat can be 170degrees.
      Order of magnitude check - over 6 feet, sin 10degrees amounts to about 1 foot. Which means that the space beneath your head is just enough for one, well, foot - but it also has to acommodate the thickness of headrest under your head.
      Originally posted by rdc1000
      Furthemore the casements tend to be very large for these seat types, and so in many cases it may appear that your feet are just about to go under the seat in front of you, but in actual fact they are not under much more than seat moulding.
      Well, the seat moulding over your head is an extra space which comes from the next legroom - but is useless for you to actually put your head in.
      Originally posted by rdc1000
      Most airlines alreayd have foot rests on these seats because they do not have to be fully reclined, they have a variety of positions between upright and flat (or as flat as they go). There is no doubt that flying in any premium seat costs more, and the extra space required for this is one of the main reasons. But in many cases it is price that produces the selection of the seat, not the other way round, so I'm not sure that your questin has much value, because to answer it..... I'd much rather fly first class anytime, with fully flat seats and 78inch+ of personal space, but unfortunately cost tends to prohibit this. If cost were no issue I'd only ever fly first, with fully flat beds everytime. I think the same would be true of most people, and therefore I'm not sure you could expect too manyanswers from people saying they'd happily fly lie flat rather than fully flat if the airlines got rid of them.
      Sure. Flying fully flat, with your feet level with your head, and the head of the passenger in front of you, and separated by additional wiggle room and thickness of separation wall, in the first class, is the most comfortable. Expensive, too. Pitch over 80 inches.

      There are, however, very many airlines who
      a) have a first class with flat beds and a business class of high comfort level, with 50 to 70 inches pitch strongly reclined seats - and ordinarily have a great difference in price between their Business Class and First Class
      or b) do not offer flat beds or First Class at all, and instead have a single premium class, with the 50-70 inches pitch strongly reclined seats
      or c) have Business and First Class, but the First Class does not have flat beds - the Business Class has only seats with extra legroom and recline in 40-50 inches range, and the best they have in the First Class in under 70 inches.

      In those cases, ther could well be the question of how comfortable are all the various types of premium seats. Which of them really offer value for money, with good comfort and good sleep, and which, despite taking up much space and costing a lot, are uncomfortable?

      Now, if a seat goes as reclined as it will go, the seatback reclined, the footrest stretced out - is it better, for the same pitch and height difference, to sleep in a seat where the seatpan inclines to be flat with your seatback and footrest, so that it is your feet which are supporting you against sliding off the flatbed? Or is it better if the seat does NOT go flat, so the seat pan is not a slide and offers support against sliding down?

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