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  • DeepSpace
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2003
    • 297

    Ryanair considers Israel

    Discounted flights to Israel?

    Irish airline Ryanair considers operating low-cost flights from Europe to Israel, Yedioth Ahronoth reports
    Danny Sadeh

    The Irish airline Ryanair, one of the pioneers of low-cost air travel, is considering operating discounted flights from Europe to Israel, Israel's leading newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported Sunday.

    Head of the company's flight development Bernard Berger is expected to visit Israel Sunday to attend a business conference in Tel Aviv. During his stay, he is expected to discuss the possibility of operating discounted flights from Europe to Israel.

    Ryanair was founded in 1985 and was the first European airline to operate flights based on minimal service and discounted prices.

    The company has 12 bases in Europe and over 100 planes flying to more than 21 countries in Europe.

    This year the airline is expected to transport more than 35 million passengers to 270 destinations in Europe.

    One of the managers of Europe's biggest tourism corporation TUI is also expected to visit Israel this week.

    The German company has already begun operating charter flights to Tel Aviv and has renewed its direct flights to Eilat.

    In addition, a representative of Thai Airlines, the president of Transeuro and a senior representative of Alitalia are also expected to visit Israel this week.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...178974,00.html
  • GKirk
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2004
    • 460

    #2
    What a load of ********. The only country Ryanair could operate to Isreal from is Ireland. They won't do that when there is more profitable inner Europe routes to be flown.

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    • wozza
      Chelsea Fan
      • Sep 2005
      • 1089

      #3
      The current cheapest fare is 611.60, one-way from Dublin to Tel Aviv. with ryanair's low prices I'm sure they could undercut this by a good 100 and make a handsome profit, more than you would in Europe as a result of competition from other LCCs and Legacy carriers cheap return fares

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      • cloud_9
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Sep 2005
        • 2418

        #4
        Originally posted by wozza
        The current cheapest fare is 611.60, one-way from Dublin to Tel Aviv. with ryanair's low prices I'm sure they could undercut this by a good 100 and make a handsome profit, more than you would in Europe as a result of competition from other LCCs and Legacy carriers cheap return fares
        Knowing what Ryanair are like, I am sure that they will undercut the fare you stated (611.60) by much more than 100...but the question I would like to raise, is would a 737 even be able to reach Isreal - not too sure about technical details of 737, as I prefer the A320 myself.

        I can see it now... "Flights to Isreal from 1p!" posted all over their website...

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        • GKirk
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Dec 2004
          • 460

          #5
          Ok, apologies for my earlier post
          As I said, if Ryanair were to operate to Tel Aviv, then because Israel is not in the EU, then it would have to be from Dublin.
          And Ryanair's 737-800s don't have the range to fly DUB-TLV anyway

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          • DeepSpace
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2003
            • 297

            #6
            Originally posted by GKirk
            And Ryanair's 737-800s don't have the range to fly DUB-TLV anyway
            According to Boeing's website, the range of the 738 is 5425 KM. The distance between Dublin and Tel-Aviv is 4040 KM..

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            • symon
              Planoholic
              • Oct 2005
              • 1011

              #7
              But does Boeing's figure take into consideration a full payload with luggage?
              Sy

              Everybody makes mistakes, that's why they put erasers on the ends of pencils.

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              • GKirk
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Dec 2004
                • 460

                #8
                Ryanair 738s have derated engines which makes even a 4 hour flight a struggle.

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                • tomfellows
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 2001

                  #9
                  but don't the winglets that they are putting on increase fuel efficiency, so it can fly further?
                  Tom
                  My Jetphotos album

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                  • redsquare
                    Member
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 96

                    #10
                    I can tell you that if Ryanair wants to, they can fly to Israel-no problem with the -800.
                    Ryanair's aircraft are the High Gross Weight models which can fly non-stop for just about 7 hours with winglets (6.5 without winglets) and a full payload.

                    GKirk is semi right about the engines. All engines on all 737NGs are identical except for the price, paper work and fuel pumps. Ryanair fitted their first 23 -800's (that is EI-CSA - EI-CSZ) with the -7B24 version (24,200lbs thrust) and the rest with the -7B26 (26,400lbs). However, the pilots can select a "thrust bump" to temporarily upgrade the engines if they need to. This is rarely used as Ryanair never operate anywhere near maximum takeoff weights. The -7B26 engined aircraft would have no problem in any operatioal circumstances.

                    Ryanair use a neat trick to limit costs with regards to max weights which they never reach anyway but it's not for now, I'm sure you're bored by now.

                    I'll be very surprised if Ryanair goes near Israel for various reasons but you never know.

                    redsquare

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                    • bkonner
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 72

                      #11
                      Why is Ryan restricted to Dublin?

                      Howdy,

                      They are an EU carrier. Doesn't the EU negotiate for all states in the EU. They certainly are for traffic between the EU and the US. Shouldn't an EU carrier be able to fly from any EU airport to an international destination?

                      Bill

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                      • redsquare
                        Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 96

                        #12
                        In theory, an airline is only allowed to operate from its own country to a non EU destination, however there are exceptions especially for charters. It just means an airline has to get permission before hand and it is usually refused by the host countries.

                        For example, each year there are many Canadian aircraft operating charters within the EU on behalf of charter airlines and in principal should not be allowed but a blind eye has been turned under various excuses.

                        Back to Ryanair, IMHO Israel is just too far anyway in terms of aircraft and crew usage and extra security etc. which is necessary to operate there.

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