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  • nordjet415
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2005
    • 133

    Leeds/Bradford Runway

    Hi.

    For the LBA to really prosper it needs a further runway extension to at least 9,500ft to be able to cope with fully fueled and full passenger loaded aircraft.

    Does anyone think that the current 7,400ft runway is feasable and economical for transatlantic services ( bearing in mind the odd summers day when the tempreture is around 80 degrees and the wind is calm ) or would a runway extension be better. ?

    Are there any plans or rumours for a further runway extension and if so, at what end of the runway ?

    With a 9,500ft runway it is pretty sure that 767-300s and even 747s could use the airport economically without having to stop off at another airport en route.

    cheers

    nordjet415
  • Stampe
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2004
    • 35

    #2
    Leeds has already got its runway extension its down the road at Finningley!!.

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    • LBA_FAN2005
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Sep 2005
      • 118

      #3
      A friend of mine works fueling the planes @ LBA.....

      He says that there is a rumour that there will be an extension to the Horsforth end of the runway......

      Anybody got any idea if this is true or not???
      Allan :diablo:

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      • rdc1000
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 1396

        #4
        Originally posted by nordjet415
        Hi.

        For the LBA to really prosper it needs a further runway extension to at least 9,500ft to be able to cope with fully fueled and full passenger loaded aircraft.
        You have to remember that Leeds is only marginally over an hour from MAN, which would make the business case for a major runway extension difficult because flights would be more viable from MAN, and would reduce the potential demand for an LBA service.

        With a 9,500ft runway it is pretty sure that 767-300s and even 747s could use the airport economically without having to stop off at another airport en route.
        MAN has longer runways, and 767s can be severly restricted on the hottest of days. When BA operated MAN - LAX they often had to offload passengers because they couldn't get off the runway with the fuel requirements. East Coast USA I would accept would be fine with that runway. The 767 does not have the greatest runway performance for heavily ladden flights.

        Accounting for the fact that LBA is higher above sea level (affecting runway performance) it is useful to remember that BRS has a 2011m runway (shorter than LBA) and accpets daily New York 757 flights, as does NCL (with roughly the same length runway as LBA). If the airlines saw the market at Leeds they could at least tap into it now, especially givent he strategies of American and Continental to serve more points from their hubs with lower capacity aircraft.

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        • wawkrk
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Apr 2004
          • 170

          #5
          Did the government white paper not call for a runway extension of some 300m?(Horforth end) This would push the length to around 8,400ft.
          Similar to Birmingham,field elevation 325ft. Runway direction same as LBA.
          And, Trans-Atlantic services.
          LOT Polish operate 3 weekly flights to New York from Krakow using 767-300.
          Runway length 8,400ft elevation 795ft, summer temps sometimes +30deg. A much longer flight than it would be from LBA.

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          • LBARULES
            Pointless flightaholic!
            • May 2003
            • 9820

            #6
            Yet another thread about LBA, I like!

            LBA will be getting a 300 ft extension in the next few years, if I remember rightly what someone said at college, I think its 200ft at 32, and 100 ft at 14, could be wrong though!

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            • wawkrk
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Apr 2004
              • 170

              #7
              LBARULES,
              I think you mean metres!

              wawkrk

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              • LBARULES
                Pointless flightaholic!
                • May 2003
                • 9820

                #8
                Probably did, lol, im not up with the metric and imperial differences!

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                • Grey Area
                  Punter
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 12157

                  #9
                  I'm not sending you to get 2 litres of Stella, then!
                  You can't fool owls.

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                  • GZYL
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 1194

                    #10
                    Is there enough space to extend the Horsforth end of the runway... that little housing estate (Scotland) is pretty close to the runway as it is!

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                    • LBARULES
                      Pointless flightaholic!
                      • May 2003
                      • 9820

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Grey Area
                      I'm not sending you to get 2 litres of Stella, then!
                      LMAO, you wouldn't say no!

                      GZYL, I hope so, thats apparantly where they are extending it!

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                      • GZYL
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 1194

                        #12
                        Seems a very strange move that! I mean... the aircraft already fly low over those houses.... and the extension will put them even lower.... there is loads of space on the other end of the runway... just farmland... why not extend it that way?

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                        • wawkrk
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 170

                          #13
                          The runway needs to have the displaced threshold at 32 end extended in order to give greater landing distance but more importantly,longer take off run.
                          This is because of climb performance limitations caused by the Chevin some 2 miles distant.
                          The the current distance to the nearest houses is about 2000ft.
                          At 14 end which also helps in other ways, a 2000ft extension would be possible but not neccesary.
                          Obstacle clearance limits set by the CAA do not seem to make sense to the general public (like me).
                          The limits I believe for a large twin jet are based on single engine climb performance in
                          an emergency.Although a modern large twin jet can climb faster on a single engine than a 4 engined turboprop could manage on 3 engines in the old days.Maybe as aircraft performance continues to improve,this problem may be eliminated.

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                          • GZYL
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 1194

                            #14
                            Aircraft need to be able to clear a 50 foot obstacle at the end of the runway. This must be possible with one engine inoperative IIRC.

                            Blimey.... with the 300m extension.... that means aircraft will be 350 ish metres away from some peoples living rooms! NOISY!

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                            • LBA_FAN2005
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 118

                              #15
                              Is any of this going to be affected by the new wind farm that is to be built near the airport????

                              I believe it is on the approach path at the chevin end????
                              Allan :diablo:

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