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  • carl727uk
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 274

    No more Tri Jets

    A few days a go I was watching a TU154 landing at Liverpool, inbound from Bulgaria and it reminded me how rare seeing Tri-jets are these days.

    It doesn't seem that long a go that 727s were common place as was DC-10s, L10-11s and in the UK Tridents. Now in the UK anyway any type of Tri-Jet is a bit unusual, a bit of a shame really I think !


    Carl
  • Moondance
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 727

    #2
    They may be getting rarer, but they don't half shift when they are let out to play. Got "taken from behind" by this MD-11 doing something of the order of M0.85 recently.
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    • carl727uk
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Mar 2003
      • 274

      #3
      Lucky you !! Was it Finnair ?? I don't know if anyone else has them in Europe now......any one know ?

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      • Future Pilot
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jul 2003
        • 3469

        #4
        KLM have MD-11s also, aswell as Martinair. I also believe LH and AZ run them in cargo config. Correct me if I'm wrong

        EDIT: BH Air of course with Tu-154s & don't forget EuroAtlantic, they operate Tristars too, or have they gone now? There are a few airlines I probably forgot.....
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        • Cking
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Oct 2004
          • 1000

          #5
          I tend to agree. Hear at manchester we were up to our knees in 10's and Tristars a few years ago. Can't remember the last time we had one of those in. (Oh yes we had a Tristar and an MD-11 operating for BWIA recently) We still see the 154's quite regularly though.
          The thing about trijets of any kind is that ANYTHING to do with No2 engine is a pain in the ar*e!. I was involved with a No2 engine change in the Caribban once. The nearest facility that gould handle it was Montreal!. You could change No's1 & 3 on the ramp!. We had to send a crew down to it, to prepare it to two engine ferry up to Montreal and a seperate crew to Montreal to change the engine!
          it was not for nothing that the Tristar was called "the three headed ulcer"!
          My ex MD-11 friends always refered to it as "the Scud" as you never knew where it was going to land!.

          Rgds Cking

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          • Pembo330
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2000
            • 936

            #6
            They are indeed rare, particularly in the UK.

            However, a trip over to Amsterdam and you'll still see a load. On a morning, there are a good 4 or 5 passenger DC10s on the ramp from Northwest as well as half a dozen MD-11s from KLM. Add to that the Martinair examples, the other odd one here and there and the cargo variants near the sheds, and you'll find Schipol is tri-jet heaven!

            Alas, those DC10s of Northwest are gradually being phased out but the MD11s of KLM will be around for a few years yet. Will have to try and get on one of those machines!
            Pembo 330

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            • Moondance
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Mar 2003
              • 727

              #7
              Originally posted by carl727uk
              Lucky you !! Was it Finnair ?? I don't know if anyone else has them in Europe now......any one know ?
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              • Mark L
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Mar 2003
                • 4325

                #8
                Tri-Jets are one of the most common aircraft types at Farnborough still. Dassault have a very impressive range still manufactured in France and the US
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                • tenthije
                  Harrie Spotter
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 5102

                  #9
                  AMS is getting less and less too. Only KLM, NW and MP remain on the passenger side with DAS Air Cargo and more MP on the cargo side. Occaisionaly Varig uses the MD11 but normally a 777.

                  There are only two trijets in production. The YaK-42 (40 too?) and the Dassault Falcon series.
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                  • Mark L
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 4325

                    #10
                    Has anyone actually built a Yak 4* in recent years Peter? I think its one of those lines that is "open" but totally inactive?
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                    • wysiwyg
                      Retard :)
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 3749

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cking
                      I tend to agree. Hear at manchester we were up to our knees in 10's and Tristars a few years ago. Can't remember the last time we had one of those in. (Oh yes we had a Tristar and an MD-11 operating for BWIA recently) We still see the 154's quite regularly though.
                      The thing about trijets of any kind is that ANYTHING to do with No2 engine is a pain in the ar*e!. I was involved with a No2 engine change in the Caribban once. The nearest facility that gould handle it was Montreal!. You could change No's1 & 3 on the ramp!. We had to send a crew down to it, to prepare it to two engine ferry up to Montreal and a seperate crew to Montreal to change the engine!
                      it was not for nothing that the Tristar was called "the three headed ulcer"!
                      My ex MD-11 friends always refered to it as "the Scud" as you never knew where it was going to land!.

                      Rgds Cking
                      The DC10 pilots in JMC only ever used thrust reverse on number 2 when at home base in case it got stuck in the deployed position.

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                      • carl727uk
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 274

                        #12
                        Originally posted by tenthije
                        AMS is getting less and less too. Only KLM, NW and MP remain on the passenger side with DAS Air Cargo and more MP on the cargo side. Occaisionaly Varig uses the MD11 but normally a 777.

                        There are only two trijets in production. The YaK-42 (40 too?) and the Dassault Falcon series.

                        Just reminded me I saw a Varig MD-11 at Milan this year and a Cargo Altalia DC10 (or maybe MD11) not sure. Certainly a few more Tri Jets Knocking around in mainland Europe. I guess Madrid might be good with Latin American operators ? Went there several years ago and there were lots of Iberia DC-10s, all gone now I suppose.

                        Carl

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                        • glhcarl
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 194

                          #13
                          You can see Tristars every day of the year at RAF Brize Norton.

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                          • carl727uk
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 274

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wysiwyg
                            The DC10 pilots in JMC only ever used thrust reverse on number 2 when at home base in case it got stuck in the deployed position.

                            With repect to 727s in the UK, the last regular user I can think of was a charter Carrier called Sabre (I think) Having said I think I flew on them once to Greece on a 737-800, So I can't think they had them for long and the airlines has dissappeared now.

                            We used to see TnT cargo 727s at Liverpool and I think Huntings Cargo, they may still use them Im not sure ?

                            For such a commonly used aircraft I only flew on them twice, once with JAT Split to Heathrow, and once Eastern Montego Bay-Miami. So years a go !

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                            • wysiwyg
                              Retard :)
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 3749

                              #15
                              Some years ago I had an interview with Sabre at the same time I had an interview with JMC. I would have been more interested in Sabre if it had been for the remaining 727's they operated at the time however the recruitment was for the 738. I didn't bother going.

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                              • steve rowell
                                Expat Geordie
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 13281

                                #16
                                There's a handfull of 727 freighters operating in the wee small hours in and out of Melbourne
                                Best Regards Steve

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                                • wozza
                                  Chelsea Fan
                                  • Sep 2005
                                  • 1089

                                  #17
                                  To add to the bashing of the DC-10's reliability above an the no. 2 on a DC10 of Santa Barbara airlines exploded in flight on 7th Oct
                                  http://www.airliners.net/open.file/890075/M/
                                  http://www.airliners.net/open.file/649868/M/

                                  Sadly not pictures of the unfolding disaster or any news links but I saw it in the a.net forum and thought it was worth posting

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                                  • Ren Frew
                                    Taxi Rank User
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 11826

                                    #18
                                    A little Yak at Glasgow last summer...
                                    Go n-ithe an cat th, is go n-ithe an diabhal an cat !

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                                    • steve rowell
                                      Expat Geordie
                                      • Apr 2003
                                      • 13281

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by wozza
                                      To add to the bashing of the DC-10's reliability above an the no. 2 on a DC10 of Santa Barbara airlines exploded in flight on 7th Oct
                                      Are you bashing the DC10 or it's GE engines???????
                                      Best Regards Steve

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                                      • chornedsnorkack
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jul 2005
                                        • 1108

                                        #20
                                        Maximum trijet mass

                                        The heaviest twinjet is, I think, Boeing 777, with up to about 350 tons.

                                        Probably because it is not possible for one engine to propel a bigger plane. Boeing 747 and Airbus 380 are quadjets and Mriya is a sexjet.

                                        Can a big engine be mounted in the fin? And could a Boeing 747 or Airbus 380 derivative be built with three engines?

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