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  • bring_it_on
    2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
    • Jun 2004
    • 12480

    Boeing bids for 50 A-I aircraft

    US aircraft maker Boeing Corp has bid to sell 50 medium and long range aircraft to Air-India and hopes to bag one of the big orders valued between $6 billion to $7 billion, a top Boeing official said in Bangalore.

    "It (the bid) was done in December. All the three aircraft are in the running for Air-India and we feel that there are compelling advantages that will hopefully result in a sale here," Boeing vice president Dinesh A Keskar told reporters on Monday on the sidelines of the Aero India 2005 international seminar.

    Boeing's European rival Airbus Industries last December said it is also in the race for Air-India order expected to be one of the biggest aircraft deals in India, which both the majors are aggressive to win.

    The 50 aircraft deal includes 35 firm sales and option to buy 15 more by Air-India, he said.

    Boeing has offered twenty 220 to 250 seater 787 aircraft, ten 380 seater 777-300 ER and five 250 seater 777-200R for the firm sales, while the options are seven 787's, three 777-300 ER and three 777-200 LR, Keskar said.

    "The order value is significantly high, when you include both the firm and option sales," he said.

    Boeing has not made a headway in the Indian market losing out to rival Airbus for the Indian Airlines, Air Deccan and Kingfisher airline orders, but has a strong supporter in Jet and Sahara airways. "We haven't really done well here, but with Jet, Sahara and new players we are in the game," he said.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array
  • US Agent
    American Made
    • May 2003
    • 928

    #2
    Anyone know when a decision is expected?
    "The chief business of the American people is business." -Calvin Coolidge

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    • Blackcat
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2003
      • 1407

      #3
      well the earlier one was for Airbus A-340-500 or 600, but now the Govt have a Boeing chap in as the Minister for Civil Aviation ..... but he is gonna have rough time after he goes out from office for his love affair with Boeing.

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      • US Agent
        American Made
        • May 2003
        • 928

        #4
        Originally posted by Blackcat
        now the Govt have a Boeing chap in as the Minister for Civil Aviation ..... but he is gonna have rough time after he goes out from office for his love affair with Boeing.
        That's odd...he must not love Boeing all that much since Airbus has won the overwhelming majority of aircraft orders from India recently.

        "The chief business of the American people is business." -Calvin Coolidge

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        • bring_it_on
          2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
          • Jun 2004
          • 12480

          #5
          any word on the descision or when it is due
          Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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          • Bmused55
            Aaahh Emu!
            • Oct 2003
            • 11136

            #6
            No word yet as it seems.

            This sort of thing can take an age in India
            Bmused55

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            • Blackcat
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2003
              • 1407

              #7
              yeah....i'd say this is gonna drag for 2-3 more yeras ....and by that timwe what is only gonna happen is that the leasing part will be the one getting OK.

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              • KabirT
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2000
                • 8157

                #8
                Originally posted by Blackcat
                yeah....i'd say this is gonna drag for 2-3 more yeras ....and by that timwe what is only gonna happen is that the leasing part will be the one getting OK.
                Thats already gotten an ok....India is operating its first 777.
                "one is the loneliest number.."

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                • Bmused55
                  Aaahh Emu!
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 11136

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Blackcat
                  well the earlier one was for Airbus A-340-500 or 600, but now the Govt have a Boeing chap in as the Minister for Civil Aviation ..... but he is gonna have rough time after he goes out from office for his love affair with Boeing.
                  Actually, an internal review was conducted after the viability of the aircraft was called into question. It was apparently found that although cheaper, the Airbus equipment was not what AI were looking for.
                  Bmused55

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                  • bring_it_on
                    2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 12480

                    #10
                    Boeing Sells 10 Jets to India's Royal
                    http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArti...toryID=7578558
                    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                    • US Agent
                      American Made
                      • May 2003
                      • 928

                      #11
                      Let's hope this portents good things to come.
                      "The chief business of the American people is business." -Calvin Coolidge

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                      • 4 engines good
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 424

                        #12
                        My guess is Air India might do a split order of both Airbuses and Boeings.

                        For political reasons if nothing else. I'd imagine a lot of strings are being pulled for both companies at the moment...

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                        • Bmused55
                          Aaahh Emu!
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 11136

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 4 engines good
                          My guess is Air India might do a split order of both Airbuses and Boeings.

                          For political reasons if nothing else. I'd imagine a lot of strings are being pulled for both companies at the moment...
                          I'd have to agree.
                          Bmused55

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                          • Grey Area
                            Punter
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 12157

                            #14
                            Me, too.

                            If nothing else, it would be consistent with procurement policy to date.
                            You can't fool owls.

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                            • KabirT
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 8157

                              #15
                              agreed... if AI goes with Boeing AND gives the order of the 120 F 16s its looking for it will make USA a happy "close partner".
                              "one is the loneliest number.."

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                              • US Agent
                                American Made
                                • May 2003
                                • 928

                                #16
                                Boeing Jetliners Right Choice for Indias Growing Commercial Aviation Market

                                (Source: Boeing Co.; issued Feb. 10, 2005)

                                BANGALORE, India --- Dr. Dinesh A. Keskar, Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice president of Sales and president of Boeing Aircraft Trading, today underscored the financial benefits and competitive advantages Indian carriers will gain by investing in the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, 777-200LR (Longer Range)/-300ER (Extended Range), and 737-800 with Blended Winglets.

                                "Our newest airplanes for the medium, long, and ultra-long-haul markets are the right choice for Indian carriers," said Keskar. "Boeings family of products is clearly positioned to provide superior economics for India 's aviation market."

                                Keskar's claim is based on the fact that by introducing the most advanced technologies into the all-new 787-8, that airplane can carry a comparable number of passengers more comfortably, while burning 20 percent less fuel and costing 32 percent less per year to maintain than the A330-200. The 787-8 will also fly 1,500 nautical miles more than its competitor, opening new nonstop routes such as Delhi -- New York, Mumbai -- San Francisco, and Bangalore -- Sydney. In addition to the economic benefits and better range capabilities, the 787 will present passengers with innovations including a new interior environment with higher humidity, wider seats and aisles, larger windows, and other conveniences.

                                The 777-200LR will enable long-range nonstop flights between India and the United States. The airplane seats 11 more passengers, with four tonnes more cargo, than the A340-500. The 777-200LR also burns 20 percent less fuel and costs 15 per cent less to maintain per passenger than the A340-500.

                                The 777-300ER can carry 28 more passengers, with six tonnes more cargo than the A340-600. The airplane also burns 20 percent less fuel and costs 15 percent less to maintain per passenger. In addition to greater profit potential and lower operating costs, the 777-300ER has a higher resale value than its competitor.

                                The 737-800's economic advantages are the result of its ability to generate more revenue by carrying up to 12 more passengers and approximately one-half tonne more cargo than the A320. Industry data also reveals that the 737-800 costs 15 to 20 percent less to maintain than its competitor and can fly longer distances.

                                "To compete with airlines throughout the region and the world, Indian carriers will require the most cost effective and competitive advantages of passenger pleasing interiors," said Keskar. "Boeing airplane families are the right choice for Indian carriers as they begin to dramatically expand to connect India to the rest of the world."

                                Keskar provided a briefing on the "Future of Commercial Air Transportation -- A Boeing Perspective" to the Indian media during the Aero India 2005 show in Bangalore, which runs Feb. 9 to Feb 13. His presentation included an analysis of the commercial aircraft market and the Boeing strategy for delivering products and services that meet market needs and demands. Keskar said India 's long-term forecast for air travel is healthy and the pace of liberalization is accelerating in India.

                                "While Boeing continues to work with companies such as HAL, Infosys and Wipro Technologies, the potential for new partnerships with organizations such as the National Aerospace Laboratories in Bangalore are great," said Keskar.

                                Boeing Commercial Airplanes has a long history of delivering technologies that meet the needs of airlines and passengers. Boeing is committed to the success of the customers and commercial aviation as demonstrated by the launch of the 787.

                                The Boeing Company has been associated with Indian commercial aviation for more than 60 years and has enjoyed fruitful partnerships with the Indian airlines, and more recently, India's military.
                                "The chief business of the American people is business." -Calvin Coolidge

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                                • Grey Area
                                  Punter
                                  • Apr 2004
                                  • 12157

                                  #17
                                  Oh look! An "official" and doubtless highly-objective Boeing press release!
                                  You can't fool owls.

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                                  • US Agent
                                    American Made
                                    • May 2003
                                    • 928

                                    #18
                                    In the name of fairness, I'll search for one from Airbus and post when I get a chance.

                                    In the meantime, feel free to dispute anything that was stated by Dr. Keskar if you like.
                                    "The chief business of the American people is business." -Calvin Coolidge

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                                    • KabirT
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 8157

                                      #19
                                      He's the man selling Boeigs in India....what do you expect?
                                      "one is the loneliest number.."

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                                      • Grey Area
                                        Punter
                                        • Apr 2004
                                        • 12157

                                        #20
                                        Dr Keskar????

                                        Just some egghead's opinion then, US Agent!
                                        You can't fool owls.

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