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  • Distiller
    Talent on Loan from God
    • Oct 2003
    • 4760

    Airbus A350

    First shipsets of parts for potential Boeing 7E7 rival needed by July 2007, with first flight targeted for mid-2008

    Airbus is stepping up pre-development work on its A350 concept, confirming at a suppliers' meeting in Bremen last week that the potential Boeing 7E7 rival would be based on the existing A330 family, incorporating 7E7 technology engines and a high level of composites. It aims to reduce airframe weight to enable the A350 to match or exceed the Boeing twinjet's superior maximum range.

    Airbus told suppliers that initial "shipsets" of parts would be needed by July 2007 and its target for first flight is mid-2008.

    "We have been told to make minimum changes for maximum benefits," says a supplier source.

    Airbus is targeting several airlines as potential launch customers, including Lufthansa, Northwest Airlines, Qatar Airways and Singapore Airlines. "Customers who were looking at the 7E7 suddenly have Airbus at their door. It's a shoot-out in the marketplace," says another source.

    General Electric and Rolls-Royce are in talks with Airbus to supply versions of their 7E7 turbofans for the A350 with as few changes as possible. GE says: "We are talking to them every week, and we are following the aircraft very closely."

    R-R also confirms it is discussing options for a virtually unchanged derivative of the 7E7's Trent 1000 with its 2.8m (112in) diameter fan. The Trent 1000 is targeted for engine certification in July 2007, providing a year-long margin before entry into service on the 7E7 and two years before the planned introduction of the A350 in 2009.

    Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice-president business strategies and marketing Nicole Piasecki dismisses any threat to the 7E7 from the A350. "An A330 derivative will not get anywhere near the 7E7," she says. "Even with new wings and engines, it will be a compromised design. They will only get half-way to the range advantage of the 7E7."

    JUSTIN WASTNAGE / LONDON

    ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY GUY NORRIS AND GRAHAM WARWICK


    http://www.flightinternational.com/f...xtTotalRecs=23

    What an idiotic FUD campaign!!!
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  • Mark L
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 4325

    #2
    Interesting stuff. Will be good to see the figures Airbus publish for this "A350" to see whether Boeings claims are substantiated or not.
    My recent and upcoming flights

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    • 4 engines good
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2004
      • 424

      #3
      It's the wonders of competition! Airbus pushed Boeing to upgrade the 747, and now Boeing is pushing Airbus to to upgrade the A330.

      So long as both manufacturers have decent sales of their new products, then the pushing ahead will carry on and we'll continue to leap forward.

      I look foward to the next generation of 737s and A320s, when the two companies lock horns in that market in about 8-10 years.

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      • KabirT
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 8157

        #4
        If its another cosmeticised version of the A330... I am not excited one bit.
        "one is the loneliest number.."

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        • Whiskey Delta
          Vote for Pedro
          • May 2003
          • 2581

          #5
          I thought the 7E7 wasn't a viable aircraft type?

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          • wysiwyg
            Retard :)
            • Jan 2000
            • 3749

            #6
            Competition...excellent! There are going to be some really impressive aircraft on the market at the end of this decade!

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            • beistrich
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2004
              • 627

              #7
              No suprise airbus make a A300 replacement. But nice another new airbus plane



              If its another cosmeticised version of the A330... I am not excited one bit.
              lol the A350 is a holy new aircraft

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              • seahawk
                F-4 Phanatic
                • Jan 2000
                • 4612

                #8
                that is not true. However the Airbus proposal seems pretty decent, as Singapore Airlines did not yet sign up for the 7E7, because they are still considering an Airbus alternative and it is easy to guess that they are not offering the A300-600.
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                • pierrepjc
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 557

                  #9
                  By that do you mean a new wing? Fuse is pretty standard across the wide body family.

                  Paul

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                  • tenthije
                    Harrie Spotter
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 5102

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pierrepjc
                    By that do you mean a new wing? Fuse is pretty standard across the wide body family.

                    Paul
                    I reckon that to make the A330 succesful for short/medium haul a new wing will be required. The current wing is optimised for long haul, meaning that it is rather heavy to cater for fuel tanks and more lift. For shorth haul this is just dead weight, you do not need the extra fuel saving weight.... which also means you do not need the additional lift!
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                    • seahawk
                      F-4 Phanatic
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 4612

                      #11
                      According to Aero International it means new wings, a lighter fuselage (more composites - as on the wings) and new engines.
                      Member of ACIG

                      an unnamed Luftwaffe officer:"Typhoon is a warm weather plane. If you want to be operational at -20C you have to deploy the F-4F."

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                      • Airline owner
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 5327

                        #12
                        Yay!!, another Airbus. i wonder what the stats are going to be like???

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                        • beistrich
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 627

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Matthew Murray
                          The A330 has always had a heavy wing - it could be lightened.
                          just tenthije say it: The A330 wind is perfect for long haul and for medium range

                          Originally posted by Matthew Murray
                          Correct me if I am wrong; The A330 still has the internal structure for the four engines instead of two ala the A340?
                          no

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                          • wysiwyg
                            Retard :)
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 3749

                            #14
                            Actually I think the A330 has got the same wing. One of the selling points for the A330 MRTT is that the refuelling points are where the pylons would have mounted for engines 1 and 4. All the structure is still there so the modification is relatively simple.

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                            • Silver Snapper
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • May 2004
                              • 1391

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Matthew Murray
                              The A330 has always had a heavy wing - it could be lightened.
                              Ditch the fuel tanks! :diablo:
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                              • dartie
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 1313

                                #16
                                Does anyone have any pictures of sketches of what the A350 will look like ?

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                                • Mark L
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 4325

                                  #17
                                  The proposal has not been made official yet, so I highly doubt there will be any sketches.
                                  My recent and upcoming flights

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                                  • fightingirish
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • May 2004
                                    • 1181

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Distiller
                                    First shipsets of parts for potential Boeing 7E7 rival needed by July 2007, with first flight targeted for mid-2008
                                    [...]
                                    JUSTIN WASTNAGE / LONDON
                                    ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY GUY NORRIS AND GRAHAM WARWICK
                                    http://www.flightinternational.com/f...xtTotalRecs=23


                                    Under the article from flightinternational.com, there was this small pic.
                                    Don't know, if it's a A350, looks more like A330!
                                    Maybe somebody else has it in higher resolution.

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                                    • beistrich
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 627

                                      #19
                                      Is this realy a photo from the A350? I think this is a A330
                                      Last edited by beistrich; 5th October 2004, 20:54.

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                                      • seahawk
                                        F-4 Phanatic
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 4612

                                        #20
                                        Surely no photo from the A350. It could be a concept drawing as I would expect the A350 to look much like an A330.
                                        Member of ACIG

                                        an unnamed Luftwaffe officer:"Typhoon is a warm weather plane. If you want to be operational at -20C you have to deploy the F-4F."

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