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  • dartie
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2003
    • 1313

    Favourite Aircraft

    Whats you favourite aircraft?
    EVERYONE WHO VIEWS THIS POLL CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO VOTE THX!!!
    24
    A300
    4.17%
    1
    A310
    0.00%
    0
    A318
    0.00%
    0
    A319/A320
    8.33%
    2
    A321
    4.17%
    1
    A330-200/-300
    12.50%
    3
    A340-200/-300
    0.00%
    0
    A340-500/600
    20.83%
    5
    B717
    4.17%
    1
    B727
    4.17%
    1
    B737-100/-200/-300
    0.00%
    0
    B737-400/-500/-600
    0.00%
    0
    B737-700/-800/-900
    8.33%
    2
    B747-400/-400ER
    12.50%
    3
    B757-200/-300
    4.17%
    1
    B767-200
    0.00%
    0
    B767-300
    12.50%
    3
    B767-400
    0.00%
    0
    B777-200/-200ER
    4.17%
    1
    B777-300/-300ER
    0.00%
    0
    Last edited by dartie; 22nd June 2003, 12:23.
  • robc
    Senior Member
    • May 2003
    • 641

    #2
    Yes we have quite a few of these polls, but close between the 744 or the 346 for me in the commercial world!

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    • EAL_KING
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2003
      • 2319

      #3
      definatly 727

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      • KabirT
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 8157

        #4
        welcome on-board dartie!
        "one is the loneliest number.."

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        • Saab 2000
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2000
          • 3468

          #5
          Nice to see an Air Malta fan

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          • A330Crazy
            Computer says no....
            • Jan 2000
            • 6421

            #6
            On the list A330, but of the list the Tristar.
            Andrew

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            • steve rowell
              Expat Geordie
              • Apr 2003
              • 13281

              #7
              This poll has been done before. "DC-10"
              Best Regards Steve

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              • dartie
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2003
                • 1313

                #8
                Air Malta

                Yeah Air Malta is a goood airline though i havent flown them I do follow what happens.

                And thx for the warm welcome KabirT

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                • dartie
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 1313

                  #9
                  "DC-10"

                  Sorry but i just wanted it out of the two major aircraft manufactures Airbus and Boeing!

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                  • robc
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2003
                    • 641

                    #10
                    Im sorry but this pole strikes me as a bit odd, you have grouped some types of planes while left others on their own, even with just airbus and boeing, there is no mention of the 747 classics. Why group the 319 and 320 while leave the 321 and 318 by themselves. You've also grouped thye 330's while left each of the 767's on their own, also the 737 has been grouped. Im sorry but this pole cant possibly be correct. One person might like the 332 and another the 333, but when a person votes for the 763 and the other the 762 the results become wrong...Hard though with only 20 options!

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                    • mikeconnell
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2003
                      • 287

                      #11
                      One for you from tonight at Manchester, Dartie.

                      Welcome on board. Believe me, as another newcomer this is a really friendly forum.

                      Mike

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                      • EGNM
                        Sadact
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 3875

                        #12
                        that looks VERY quiet for manchester from the car park roof - the ABD B742 is th background, wa sit ATN or ATW?
                        Brgds
                        EGNM

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                        • im going in
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • May 2003
                          • 155

                          #13
                          It's interesting to see that an A/C that has been in service for less than a year is leading at the moment. I take it is all done from a spotters point of view.

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                          • dartie
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 1313

                            #14
                            NICE PIC mikeconnell

                            I love the pic mikeconnell
                            Suppose it was taking at either MAN or LHR.
                            And by the way why the UAL Avator.
                            No that there a bad airline.
                            Isnt UAL the biggest airline in the world?

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                            • Saab 2000
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 3468

                              #15
                              American Airlines is the largest in terms of revenue. United is second.
                              Last edited by Saab 2000; 22nd June 2003, 13:00.

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                              • dartie
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 1313

                                #16
                                I was under the impression that United is the biggest airliner. Because if you compare there destinations, not their fleet size which i will quote American has the largest fleet, United fly to Australia(AA doesn't), United serve more destinations in Asia and also operate regional flights eg WSSS-VHHH, and the serve more destinations in Europe(Not 100% sure) and there network in the U.S.A. is extremely extensive. But I think that the prize for the largest airline in the world goes up between UA and AA, and some other airlines come close such as Delta and Northwest, outside of the U.S.A British Airways claims the prize.

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                                • dartie
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 1313

                                  #17
                                  robc isnt that pic a little old now, because if you go to airliners.net the AZ planes now more have the "TEAM" logo, neways just wondering, but i will say that it is a good shot!

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                                  • dartie
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 1313

                                    #18
                                    robc I grouped some that were similar and i only put the ones that were in porduction and i know i accidently put some planes that werent in production eg A300,A342, and B727, B737-100/200

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                                    • Saab 2000
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 3468

                                      #19
                                      It keeps switching between United and American. After AA acquired TWA they were the largest, also carrying 80 million passengers in 2001.
                                      In Europe I think you will find American is the largest in terms of destinations as United does not serve as many European cities, for example, AA flies to Madrid, Zurich, Dublin etc compared to UA who have only a few destinations. However, really the term "largest" depends on revenue I am lead to believe rather than destinations served or aircraft.

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                                      • mongu
                                        Director
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 2918

                                        #20
                                        You can define "largest" any number of ways. How about market capitalisation? That is, number of shares in issue times the share price. That shows you what investors think the value of a company is:

                                        British Airways 1,727m (approx $2,877m)
                                        American Airlines $1,445m
                                        UAL Corp $68m

                                        There, you have BA valued at twice AA. By comparison, AA is worth 21 times United!

                                        Bear in mind, United is a special case due to its well publicised problems and the low price takes into account the vast liabilities any buyer would have to assume. Ditto with the other 2, though.

                                        The point I am trying to illustrate, is that "revenue" or "number of aircraft" is a really poor measure these days. Revenue....what if it has been boosted by huge one-off discounts? Number of aircraft...what if they are mortgaged to creditors - their value is then negligible. A "clean" 737 is worth many times more than a leveraged 744, you know.

                                        Look, as an accountant I would have to say "value" depends on lots of things for an airline. How about:

                                        - Free cashflow
                                        - Gearing (leveraging)
                                        - Debt/Equity ratio
                                        - Goodwill of passengers and creditors
                                        - Flexibility and goodwill of unions
                                        - Revenue
                                        - Diversirty of revenue streams
                                        - Working capital commitments (have they pushed creditors too far and/or are they being too demanding of debtors?)
                                        - About 500 more factors too!

                                        Whereas a typical tabloid report will blather on about destinations, or number of planes, or the comfort of business class seats...


                                        Source: Bloomberg.com (symbols: American - AMR, United - UALAQ, British Airways - BAY)
                                        Last edited by mongu; 22nd June 2003, 15:03.
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