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  • TomcatViP
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    "They are very compelling," aviation analyst Henry Harteveldt, president of Atmosphere Research Group, told CBS News' Kris Van Cleave. "What I find very compelling is the hypothesis that the pilot did this deliberately, and did one of the most heinous acts in modern commercial aviation."
    And someone just put all his energy in achieving probably one of the most heinous form of laziness ever acted in 60 minute time of serious modern TV.

    The plane didn't crash nose down but probably stalled and splashed at much lower speed and a much different attitude than asserted by the so-called expert during the show. This has been publicly acknowledged by the enquiry as a certitude (autopilot keeping the plane level despite loss of power due to fuel pulsed starvation). Starring at the salvaged piece of leading edge with a severe look in the eyes won't change that result.

    10 minutes of appropriate reading would have allowed the 60min team to get that info first hand. Given the horrendous accusation devoid of any facts and exacerbated by the dramatic tempus of a 60min show, IMOHO this amount to gratuitous accusation and diffamation [/legalMode]

    Sourced from:
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 16th May 2018, 09:14.


    • TomcatViP
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      You can watch the show here on Youtube:

      - there are none evidence that substantiate with facts the conclusion that Germanwings Flight 9525 was the result of an act of mass-murder. It still remains to this day a deliberate interpretation of the Fr bureau driven by the early intimate opinion voiced by its leading prosecutor that was put in charge of the accident investigation. Given that the accusations smeared in the press to the point of constituting by itself an evidence was a the leading factor driving the enquiry, the duplication of this by the 60 minute team can only be seen as a deliberate choice, given that the possibility of a laisser-aller won't honor their professionalism.

      - "The [locked away] captain can be heard trying to make is way back [in the cockpit]" (Germanwings)... That's all the problem. None of the audio were ever released. At one point (before the existence of the audio was acknowledged), a journalist got to hear the band*** "a hundred times" commenting on the panic stricken cabin but he was then highly criticized and nothing more has transpired of it. None of the family have reported that there were offered the chance to ear the last words of their loved-one.*

      - There are strong concordent evidence that the flap recovered in the FR island of La Runion had multiple stays in the water with one witness acknowledging that this specific part had washed-up on the beach where he was in charge of burning drift-aloft debris or throwing them back in the water when not possible, what he remembered that he did with that one**. Maritime life stuck on it where more local species than anything else (if my memory stands right, that were the conclusions of two laboratory - but this has been the subject of some post here in this thread - please scroll back HERE if interested). Hence, the erosion of the thinner part of the flap is more probably the consequence of being washed up on the rocky beach (not sand beaches, small stones) and/or when it was dragged back in the water.

      - The simulation (if Microsoft Flight simulator simplistic flight models can ever been ascertained as a valid simulation for a very long haul flight with numerous corner waypoints): let's be clear, how many of us have not been called away from our screen while "flight simming" for something as casually urgent like the evening dinner, guest coming or a quick run at the night shop for a brick of milk. As this become now facts for a criminal investigation? And what generally become of "our plane" if put on various autopilot mode? She would fly until the last bit of virtual fuel is expended... And crashes. Did the FBI (who first searched the computer) stated that the pilot had actually dived the plane on that occasion at the end of this long simulated flight (something that will show-up immediately in the sim flight log)?... No. End of arguments.

      *To me there should be room in it to make 60 min of a bright dramatic show of just this
      ** Something that stand aside of any French laws despite the weird given order from the island administration
      *** Here is a CNN interview of that Journalist
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      • TomcatViP
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        Australian search defended after 60 Minutes criticism

        US scientist Victor Iannello said he had watched the episode twice and found nothing new in terms of evidence or insights.
        “What I did see were some of the experts confusing speculation with facts, and cherry-picking evidence to support their pet theories while carefully omitting contradicting evidence,’’ he said.
        An exhaustive and patient deconstruction of what those "experts" said during the show. All sourced material being available first hand in the ATSB report, it's is stunning that a team of journalist did take such shadowy road well away from well paved methodologies of professional journalism*... Will one day someone take the occasion to make a TV show after the Lost 60 minutes team?

        *Add to that the fact that the web see now a surge of similar articles about the alleged mad Captain and we are back to the Germanwings story: coordinated media lynching.
        Last edited by TomcatViP; 20th May 2018, 13:38.


        • 27vet
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          Here is an interesting article I found which supports the hijack theory. It was well known that Zaharie and the co-pilot were lax as far as cockpit security is concerned.

          Briefly, it concerns the satcom system. Very complicated to deactivate from the cockpit, easier by entering the E&E bay, but access to the E&E bay is in the first class section, so if Zaharie had locked the copilot out of the cockpit, he wouldn't have been able to turn off the satcom until the copilot and pax were dead. Which would have taken some time as they would have had oxygen for at least 20 minutes.

          Last edited by 27vet; 22nd May 2018, 17:06.
          sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...


          • TomcatViP
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            Once again putting the assumption that there was a mass-murderer on board and then setting a path full of technical justification for that hypothesis is wrong.


            Thousands of flight take place every days and there is statiscally far more criminals in the air than such reported occurrences. So why focus on the very narrow margin?!

            Question: if you hear that the cabin is full of incapaciting smoke and fly above an unforgiving ocean, what would you do? You would probably attempt to depressurize the cabin and cut all electrical non-essential power In a desesperate attempt to starve any fire in the cargo bay. Then turn home keeping your alt (passengers have downed masks with enough O2 for you to assess the situation).

            You can't presuppose that one of the pilot or passengers was a mass murderer. Hijacker want money. And for that they need some bargain power... Which generally happen to be the passengers.

            I am sorry 27Vet but this does not make sense.

            IMOHO It could very well be that the captain or his copilot were heroes subdued only by overhelming elements.

            On that occasion I will remind all that the cargo was full of Li batteries. The very one element now banned on any commercial flights.

            Captains avid of Flight simmulations are not. Circuit breakers neithers. EoA.
            Last edited by TomcatViP; 22nd May 2018, 23:52.


            • TomcatViP
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              I can’t forgive [Malaysian] air force: MH370 pilot’s sister

              Among questions not fully explained over the plane’s dis*appearance is why the Malaysian air force did not scramble a jet to follow the airliner as it veered off course.
              Former defence minister Hishamuddin Hussein has previously said: “If you’re not going to shoot it down, what’s the point of sending (a fighter) up?”
              Ms Shah told The Australian; “Everyone’s wish is that they find the wreckage. If that is not possible, the next-best thing is that they bring everyone (who failed to act) to book; the air force, the former defence minister.”
              The latest “no find, no fee” search by Ocean Infinity in the southern Indian Ocean officially ends tomorrow […]
              Amazing that a plane that veered 180deg off-course and went radio silent hadn't inspired more effort to question the whererabouts of their passengers (that were also mostly Malaysian nationals*).

              She said rumours he had *orchestrated the plane’s dis*appearance had devastated the family.
              Zaharie and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid were initially named by Malaysian authorities as suspects in the aircraft’s dis*appearance, but exonerated.
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              Manifest for Flight MH370
              153 Chinese
              38 Malaysians
              7 Indonesians
              6 Australians
              5 Indians
              4 French
              3 Americans
              2 each from New Zealand, Ukraine and Canada
              One each from Russia, Taiwan, Netherlands
              Two men - one confirmed as Iranian - travelling under stolen Italian and Austrian passports
              Last edited by TomcatViP; 27th May 2018, 16:42.


              • TomcatViP
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                MH370 Didn’t Just Disappear, It Was Caught in a Swamp of Corruption

                Some good lines here, especially on the Malaysian context and the perspectives

                Wherever the 239 victims of MH370 are entombed, they represent a comprehensive failure of the systems and people that were supposed to protect them from such an appalling fate. For sure, air travel is safer today than it has ever been. Nonetheless, the last thing that we can tolerate is that the cause of a crash should remain unknown. As all crash investigators will tell you, the cause might well be something that has never happened before. And might happen again.
                The Daily


                • TomcatViP
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                  Ocean infinity ended all searches on the 29th of May having started on the 8th March 2018.

                  Here are the words of its CEO:

                  Oliver Plunkett, Ocean Infinity’s CEO, said:
                  “I would firstly like to extend the thoughts of everyone at Ocean Infinity to the families of those who have lost loved ones on MH370. Part of our motivation for renewing the search was to try to provide some answers to those affected. It is therefore with a heavy heart that we end our current search without having achieved that aim.
                  We are most grateful to the Government of Malaysia for entertaining our offer and affording us the opportunity to recommence the search. The commitment that the new government in Malaysia has made to prioritising finding MH370 was very good to hear.
                  We want to thank the team onboard Seabed Constructor who have worked tirelessly and all the many companies, organizations and individuals whose support, guidance and advice were invaluable. The staff at the ATSB whose dedication to finding the plane has been unwavering deserve our particular gratitude.
                  Whilst clearly the outcome so far is extremely disappointing, as a company, we are truly proud of what we have achieved both in terms of the quality of data we’ve produced and the speed with which we covered such a vast area. There simply has not been a subsea search on this scale carried out as efficiently or as effectively ever before.
                  We sincerely hope that we will be able to again offer our services in the search for MH370 in future.”



                  • Alex Smart
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                    Some time ago I am sure that I saw on one of the pages in this thread a picture of a large twin engined a/c that seemed to have been under water. If I am correct, then can someone please redirect me to it as I cannot find it today.


                    • TomcatViP
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                      Sorry Alex, I have no remembrance of that one. Have you tried browsing thread's attachments?

                      Malaysia to finally collect critical MH370 debris

                      Malaysia has agreed to collect two pieces of critical debris from MH370 that were found almost two years ago and were the subject of an alleged assassination.
                      The two pieces, discovered by local villagers, reinforce the high-speed crash theory, according to wreck hunter Blaine Gibson.
                      The pieces – one from the interior, the other a fin of the engine – were found in September 2016 by local villagers at beaches on Madagascar.
                      The two items were due to be picked up in August last year by Zahid Raza, the Honorary Malaysian Consul in Madagascar, when he was assassinated


                      • TomcatViP
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                        Did Li Battery fire theory gain [at last] a high profile advocate in the media?

                        Retired United Airlines pilot Captain Ross Aimer told Daily Star Online his "gut feeling" was that the 221kg of lithium-ion batteries in the airliners hold of erupted in flames shortly after take-off.

                        He said the plane could then have continued its flight even after everyone on board was killed.

                        Capt Aimer said: "The fire may have started during or shortly after take off, since things started to happen as soon as they levelled off.

                        "It is possible the fire killed everyone onboard then continued burning the aircraft until it crashed. Since the flaperon was discovered in the ocean, it most probably crashed into the ocean."
                        He is talking about the manifest (cargo bay) discussed already here in 2014:

               from Daily Star online (and from your favorite Web forum times times ago)
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