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    People who are careless with their electronics are going to result in a total ban and shaft everyone.

    I don't think MH370 disappeared as a result of an electrical fire. And someone knows exactly where it is.
    sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...


      For sure we don't know (yet*)
      MH370 cargo bay was filled with 2t of electronic products including Li-ion batteries as we have detailed it earlier.**

      *crossing fingers
      **sry for self quoting


        Satellite images of ocean debris suggest 3 places to search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

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        Taken two weeks after MH370 disappeared on 8 March 2014, the photos were analysed by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB). Its researchers used drift modelling of the debris to suggest a new potential location for the crash site — a 5,000 sq km (1930 sq miles) area just north of the former search zone.
        Two Australian government agencies, Geoscience Australia and the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), analysed the images, which were taken by a French military satellite but not released to the public.
        The report said the detected objects appeared to form clusters, rather than being randomly scattered across the area.
        The findings seemed to bolster the ATSB’s conclusion last November that the plane most likely crashed north of waters it spent more than two-and-a-half years searching. The CSIRO report provided precise coordinates —35.6S, 92.8E.
        The fact that photos taken just north of the search zone were not reviewed at the time is rather weird. What utility has a Fr military sat if data recovered after such a tragic event are left unchecked for 3 years?

        We had the debris littering the beaches illegally burnt on the place and pushed back at sea in French island La Reunion under the request of local authorities, the erupting volcano there triggering an evacuation of journalists away from the search zone without any real eruption and now this...

        US search company Ocean Infinity offers to look for MH370

        Ocena Infinity

        The Guardian
        Last edited by TomcatViP; 5th September 2017, 11:25.


          In another bizarre twist, ‘Assassination’ of Malaysian consul Zahid Raza in Madagascar fuels new MH370 conspiracy

          “What makes a possible link to MH370 even more suspicious is that in the time period surrounding his death, Mr Raza was expected to visit the Malagasy Ministry of Transport, retrieve additional recovered pieces, and deliver those pieces to Malaysia.”
          With the nbr of people directly or remotely involved in this story, a lot a striking coincidence can happen without having any direct links. Let's not fuel any speculation.


          Last edited by TomcatViP; 11th September 2017, 02:58.


            Search (probably) resumed

            Ocean Infinity, a company based in Houston, Texas, that is negotiating with the Malaysian government to undertake the search on a “no-find, no-fee bounty” principle is now sending its search vessel to begin an operation early in January.

            Mark Antelme, a spokesman for Ocean Infinity, confirmed to The Daily Beast that although the company still does not have a final contract in place with the Malaysians it has decided to get its search vessel, Seabed Contractor, to the Indian Ocean.

            More details today (
            [Ocean Infinity] say the reduced time is due in part because of the technology they will be using on its Seabed Constructor [(the ship)].

            Although the equipment is said to be unsuited to turbulent water, the period between December and March provides the calmest seas, and officials maintain their optimism.

            Australian oceanographers say they also found what they believe to be “a most-likely location of the aircraft” 100 miles to the north of the original search area, and believe there is an “unprecedented precision and certainty” about the likelihood of finding 370 there.
            Last edited by TomcatViP; 9th December 2017, 10:41.


              Seabed Constructor - on loan by Ocean infinity - sailed of to search for MH370

              The strange ship’s name is Seabed Constructor. She is a Norwegian research vessel, built in 2014 and owned by Swire Seabed, a dredging and surveying firm in Bergen. At the moment, though, she is leased to Ocean Infinity, a company based in Houston, Texas. And the task Ocean Infinity has hired her for is a hard one: to find whatever is left of flight MH370, a Boeing 777-200ER that left Kuala Lumpur on March 8th 2014 with 239 people on board and vanished over the Indian Ocean.
              EDIT (180106):
              Confirmation of approval from the Malaysian gov appeared today in the press

              Some more detail about the search campaign:

              Now a team involving Inmarsat, a London-based global satellite network, Boeing, Australian air accident investigators and an American exploration company that has leased the world's most advanced civilian ocean-survey ship, have joined forces to launch a new search.

              A new search for MH370 is about to startGetty

              A new search for the missing flight MH370 is poised to start
              The survey ship, which has a large helicopter landing pad, an array of spherical antennae, a recovery crane that can lift 250 tonnes rising from the stern and is equipped with a fleet of underwater drones, left Durban, South Africa, four days ago and is heading to the Indian Ocean.

              Experts in London believe the wreckage of the plane is most likely lying along latitude 35 degree south, which is north of the previous search area at a depth of between 5-6 kilometres.

              The ship is expected to start searching for the airliner in about 10 days.
              90 days to find the plane.

              Last edited by TomcatViP; 7th January 2018, 13:43.


                Let's hope they can find the plane and bring closure to the families, and expose conspiracies, if any.
                sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...


                  Yes, it would be nice to find the wreckage and bring closure to the families.
                  I do hope the search is successful.
                  However, the conspiracy theories won't go away unless the wreckage can tell us what happened and why. Any chance the Flight data recorder would be if any use after all this time?
                  And even then, it's likely that hard core conspiracy buffs will say the investigation was "cooked".
                  There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.


                    It seems they put all the chances with them to get them back (FDR):

                    U.S. Team Deploys Robot Swarm to Find Jet

                    The team from the Texas-based company Ocean Infinity are using for the first time a swarm of eight drone-like autonomous underwater vehicles, AUVs, to scour the ocean floor in an area not previously searched.

                    The AUVs are launched from the command ship, Seabed Constructor. The system is so untried that while en route from the Caribbean to the search site the vessel paused several times to carry out trials at depths similar to those at the Indian Ocean search site, up to 3.6 miles.

                    The most vital part of the wreck to find is the airplane’s flight data recorder. There is no way of knowing if the data stored in the recorder can have survived so long at such great depths, but if the robot swarm locates the wreck, the Seabe
                    Link to the AUV factsheet

                    The daily
                    Last edited by TomcatViP; 26th April 2018, 14:24.


                      More detail on Ocean Infinity in the press:

                      It’s a high-risk gambit. The payout is not considerably large [...]

                      Given the long odds, it’s striking that anyone would want to roll the dice.

                      Some have speculated that the effort is essentially an act of charity by deep-pocketed philanthropists. But it would seem strange for do-gooders to keep their operation shrouded in as much secrecy as the group behind the Seabed Constructor has — basically we know nothing about it.


                      A third explanation is that the backers don’t think their odds of finding the plane are long — either because they are clueless or because they possess some information that the rest of us don’t.

                      The company’s Texas filing lists its directors as Oliver Plunkett, 45*, and Ross Hyett, 64. Both men are based in London and work in the wealth-management field, finding investments for high-net-worth clients. Each serves on the board of a private company owned by Paul Roderick Clucas Marshall, a British hedge-fund manager worth an estimated $683 million. Marshall has long been active in the Liberal Democrats party (and is the father of Mumford & Sons member Winston Marshall). Marshall’s publicist denies that he is behind Ocean Infinity, however.

                      As the story unfolds new strange angles continue to emerge. With Seabed Constructor approaching the search zone last weekend, users of a ship-tracking site noticed that another vessel, the 312-foot Maersk Mariner, had left the Australian port of Fremantle in Western Australia and was heading for a rendezvous. The Mariner is a so-called anchor-handling vessel designed to support offshore oil drilling. The purpose of its current mission is so far unclear.
                      (among other) New York

                      *By the way: "Oliver Plunkett (also spelt Oliver Plunket) (Irish: Oilibhar Pluincid), (1 November 1625 – 1 July 1681) was the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland who was the last victim of the Popish Plot. He was beatified in 1920 and canonised in 1975, thus becoming the first new Irish saint for almost seven hundred years. His portrait is by Garrett Murphy the celebrated Irish painter."
                      Last edited by TomcatViP; 25th January 2018, 20:06.


                        ...they possess some information that the rest of us dont.
                        Hmmm..........I'm willing to bet my new hiking boots that somebody knows where the plane is.
                        sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...


                          Some details of the search contract:

                          If the mission is successful within three months, payment will be made based on the size of the area searched. Malaysia says it will pay Ocean Infinity $20 million for 5,000 square kilometers (1,930 square miles) of a successful search, $30 million for 15,000 square kilometers (5,790 square miles), $50 million for 25,000 square kilometers (9,653 square miles) and $70 million if the plane or flight recorders are found beyond the identified area.

                          Last edited by TomcatViP; 4th March 2018, 13:03.


                            Publication of the latest detailed investigation report from the Malaysian authorites has been delayed upon completion of the latest search campaign:

                            9. The publication of the detailed investigation report, that is the Safety Report, based on currently available information has been suspended pending the outcome of the latest search effort, since any new evidence uncovered is likely to significantly affect the investigation. In the event that the aircraft is found, the Team will conduct further investigation. If the aircraft is not found and a decision is made to discontinue the search, the Team will resume the completion of the report and release it in the months ahead.
                            abridged report can be found here


                              Seabed Constructor returns to port for resupply

                              Once the Seabed Constructor returns to sea it will complete the priority area and then move further north to cover areas identified by the Independent Group and the University of WA
                              The clock* does not run while the ship returns to port to refuel and resupply.
                              EDIT (033018):
                              MH370 search vessel back on the case

                              Source (a golden nugget among all the junk news I have to say):

                              *In reference to the three month deadline given by the Malaysia
                              Last edited by TomcatViP; 30th March 2018, 14:13.


                                Why do you believe that?
                                What motive would someone have for not being forthcoming with the location?
                                Who is the someone?
                                There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.


                                  Box 35S to be searched next week

                                  One source close to the investigation says only one of the five auto pilot settings — constant magnetic heading (CMH) — would lead to a crash site at 35S, where the ocean current at the time ran in the opposite direction, towards Africa.
                                  Box 35S is close (West) to where French satellite imagery came from (the ones that were not reviewed for years -read here)
                                  French satellite images first seen in March 2014, a week or so after the plane disappeared, showed white objects in this same area, at 35S.
                                  At the time the objects were dismissed as unimportant.
                                  The drift analysis included retrospective calculations to gauge where the objects might have been in the hours after MH370 disappeared. And sure enough, it was around 35S, the new zone where Ocean Infinity is preparing to search.
                                  Latest update from Ocean Infinity report:
                                  Search to be interrupted at the end of April for crew change (and weather).
                                  Report 042418

                                  EDIT (as of 050118):
                                  Oliver Plunkett, Ocean Infinity’s CEO: As the team head in to port after another six weeks’ hard work, I am pleased to say our technology has performed exceptionally well throughout the search and that we have collected significant amounts of high quality data in which we have full confidence. The results from the highly challenging Broken Ridge feature are particularly impressive.
                                  Whilst it’s disappointing there has been no sign of MH370 in the Australian Transport Safety Bureau search area and further north, there is still some search time remaining. Everyone at Ocean Infinity remains absolutely determined for the remainder of the search.”
                                  Report 043018

                                  Last edited by TomcatViP; 1st May 2018, 14:35.


                                    Here is a report from the Guardian apparently (it was posted on another forum)

                                    MH370 search reveals clues to 19th century shipwreck mysteries

                                    Unprecedented search operation leads to discovery of two vessels that sank south-west of Australia

                                    A four-year search of the depths of the Indian Ocean has failed to locate Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. But the sonar seabed hunt for the missing airliner might be close to solving two 19th-century mysteries the locations of two sailing ships that vanished with cargos of coal.

                                    Maritime historians on Thursday published a short list of possible identities of two shipwrecks found in the course of the initial 710,000 sq km (274,000 sq mile), three-year search for the Boeing 777 that was lost in 2014 with 238 people aboard.

                                    The wrecks were found in 2015, seven months and 36 km apart, 2,300 km south-west of Australia in debris fields scattered with coal more than 3.7 km below the ocean’s surface.
                                    MH370: US team extends mission after failing to find plane in initial search zone
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                                    The searchers had a closer look with underwater drones that took photographs of both sites and retrieved a coal sample from one. Analysis showed the coal was probably from Britain, a Western Australian Museum report said.

                                    The museum’s examination of the images of the scattered remnants of a ship discovered on 19 May 2015, found it was possibly the brig W Gordon or the barque Magdala, according to incomplete records of ships lost in that period.

                                    W Gordon was on a voyage from Scotland to Australia when it disappeared in 1877 with 10 crew aboard. Magdala was lost in 1882 while sailing from Wales to Indonesia.

                                    The report found the splintered wreck was most likely sunk by an explosion. Coal cargoes in the era exploded through sparking of methane gas accumulating below deck or the spontaneous combustion of overheated coal.

                                    An iron wreck found on 19 December 2015 was most likely the barque West Ridge, which vanished while sailing from England to India with 28 sailors in 1883, the report said. A coal sample from that wreck suggested the cargo was from Britain.

                                    There was no evidence of what caused the disaster, but the wreck’s location east of the trade route from Europe to Asia suggested it might have been heading to the closest port in Australia for help.

                                    The museum’s assistant curator of maritime archaeology, Ross Anderson, said the new data about the two 19th century sinkings was a significant byproduct of the search for MH370, which was flying from Malaysia to China when communications with it were lost.

                                    But Anderson doubted that the identities of the two deepest wrecks found in the Indian Ocean would ever be confirmed without a wealthy private benefactor because of their depth and remoteness.

                                    “These are the deepest wrecks so far located in the Indian Ocean, they’re some of the most remote shipwrecks in the world,” he said.

                                    The initial underwater sonar probe scoured remote seabed at depths of up to 6,000 meters (20,000 ft) before Malaysia, China and Australia agreed to end the state-funded search for MH370 last year. The wrecks were found during that search.

                                    The wrecks of two trawlers sunk the late 20th century were also discovered, but the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which supervised the search, did not ask the museum to research them.

                                    Ocean Infinity, a US technology company conducting a new search, said this week it had covered nearly 80,000 sq km since January without finding any sign of the plane’s wreckage.

                                    In January, the Malaysian government pledged to pay Texas-based Ocean Infinity up to $70m (51.4m) if it could find the wreckage or black boxes of the aircraft within 90 days.
                                    sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...



                                      With regard to the two coal carrier shipwrecks discovered and dated 1800's to be lost en-route to Australia loaded with coal.

                                      This link gives details of Australian Coal discovery and production.


                                      It seems odd that as they had discovered and were mineing coal in Australia back in the mid/late 1800's, that they would import coal from the UK ?

                                      I think that I may have misread the original post , it may just have being referring to what was coal that would have been the ship's fuel. Not as I read, the ship's cargo.

                                      Last edited by Alex Smart; 9th May 2018, 14:17.



                                        Problem solved, we will know the answer in June, (maybe).
                               I have been round the world 11.83 times!