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  • TomcatViP
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    • Nov 2011
    • 6108

    "[Malaysia] airline ... even more clearly now may be responsible for the unsuccessful search for this plane."


    Money shld be pouring now to complete the search. MA have now all the reasons to find the plane and solve the mystery... just to say (eventually), see it, that was not us.


    Source:
    reuters.com
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 9th March 2015, 02:54.

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    • TomcatViP
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Nov 2011
      • 6108

      Confirmation from Mil radar track:

      After crossing the peninsula, MH370 made an abrupt right turn south of Penang, and headed to waypoint VAMPI, which is located at the north-western mouth of the Malacca Strait between Sumatra and Malaysia.

      Military radar continued to track the signal as it appeared to head for the subsequent waypoint MEKAR, on the N571 airway, before it disappeared at 02:22:12 local time about 10nm after this waypoint.

      Intermediary report can be downloaded here: http://mh370.mot.gov.my/download/FactualInformation.pdf


      Let's hve a look at the PoI:

      FLIGHT ATTITUDE

      First noticed turn (Mil radar)
      At 1721:13 UTC [0121:13 MYT] the Military radar showed the radar return of MH370
      turning right but almost immediately making a constant left turn to a South Westerly
      direction.
      Rudder turn ?


      repair was carried out by Boeing Aircraft-On-Ground (AOG) Team at Pudong, Boeing Shanghai facility from 22 September to 03 October 2012. The Boeing repair scheme was approved under DCA Malaysia�s Statement of Compliance (SOC) Reference Number SC/2012/081 issued on 03 September 2012. At the time of the incident, the recorded airframe hours was at 46,975:43 and landing cycles at 6,585.
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      [The] flight plan route (red dotted line � Figure. 1.7E below) passed through a westerly jet stream with wind speed of up to 150 kt. at latitude 30N at flight level 39,000 ft. (FL390).
      There was a structural incident involving the right wing tip 7000hr/18 months before (after ~10 years of usage. Damages being repaired by Boeing Shanghai facility
      Both event are coincidental with the left turn with right wing down (see p.26&37)



      TRAJECTORY

      At 1736 UTC [0136 MYT to 1736:40 UTC [0136:40 MYT] heading was 237M, ground
      speed fluctuation between 494 and 525 kt. and height fluctuation between 31,100 and
      33,000 ft.
      After the turn back, the airplane adopted a deconflicting route with normal trafic (b/w FL310 and 350, it's old authorized alt - Interval 4kft) despite "MAS and its fleet of B777 [neing] approved for Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum (RVSM) operation" (see report p25) and then seems to hve leveled right b/w the two values.


      SERVICING

      During the Stayover check on 07 March 2014, the servicing on 9M-MRO was performed by the LAME with the assistance of a mechanic, [...] There was no leak in the oxygen system [...] The system was topped up to 1800 psi. Before this servicing, maintenance records showed that the system was last serviced on 14 January 2014 during an A4 check.
      Based on MH370 ATC flight plan dated 07 March 2014, the take-off fuel recorded was 49,100 kg. The investigation estimated that the aircraft would have had 41,500 kg fuel remaining after 41minutes flying from KLIA to IGARI. [...]
      IGARI is the waypoint where MH370 reverted its direction. The plane had way enough fuel to divert and land back.


      COM

      A review of ICAO accident records over the last 30 years indicates that of the 257 accidents, only 39 cases recorded effective ELT activation. [...]
      Even when the beacon and its antenna are functioning properly, signals may not be adequately transmitted to the Cospas-Sarsat satellites because of physical blockage from aircraft debris obstructing the beacon antenna or when the antenna is under water.
      ! (page 32)


      The Cospas-Sarsat system does not provide a complete coverage of the earth at all times. As a consequence, beacons located outside the areas covered by these satellites at a given moment cannot be immediately detected, and must continue to transmit until a satellite passes overhead.
      A bit out of expectation for the 21st century...

      [QUOTE] The SATCOM link was available for most of the flight, excluding periods leading up to 18:25 UTC, 07 March and 00:19 UTC, 08 March 2014.
      4. When the SATCOM link was re-established at the above times, no Flight ID was present.
      5. During each of the two in-flight Log-Ons at 18:25 UTC and 00:19 UTC, the GES recorded
      abnormal frequency offsets for the burst transmissions from the SATCOM.

      Abnormal frequency offset might indicate hat the plane position did not correspond to what their data or that the plane was submerged. The report should quantify the offset as was previously done when IMARSAT released the data.





      SATCOM (INMARSAT Sytem)
      Two unanswered ground-to-air telephone calls had the effect of resetting the activity log and hence increased the period between the ground initiated handshakes.
      Might have something link with the commercial package (data volume)

      6. 1707:48 - Last Acknowledged DATA-2 ACARS Message. No further SATCOM Data-2
      a. Therefore, the SATCOM Link was lost at sometime between 1707:48 and 1803:41.
      b. There is no evidence of a cockpit-initiated manual Log-Off of the SATCOM.
      8. 1805:11 - GES initiates a DATA-2 ACARS transmission, but receives no
      acknowledgement from the SATCOM, indicating that there is still no SATCOM link at this
      time.
      9. 1825:27 - SATCOM Log-On, initiated from the aircraft terminal.
      a. This is the first handshake.
      b. This marks the end of the link lost period that began at sometime between 1707:48
      and 1803:41.
      10. 1825:34 SATCOM Log-On, successfully completed.



      Source:
      Flightglobal.com
      The Malaysian Ministery of Transport
      Wiki
      Last edited by TomcatViP; 11th March 2015, 01:14.

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      • TomcatViP
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        • Nov 2011
        • 6108

        Boeing: Lithium batteries present cargo risk, backs ban


        Boeing (NYSE:BA) has announced that high-density packages of lithium batteries like those used in cell phones and laptops pose fire risks and should not be carried on passenger planes until safer methods for carrying them are developed.
        The risk is "continually increasing (and) requires action to be taken," said the aircraft maker.
        A report that labels the batteries as "dangerous goods" is due to be considered in April by the U.N. International Civil Aviation Organization. The recommendations would then need to be approved by the group in October, and by a broader air safety council next year.

        It's a great day for the victims ~S to both pilots that I assume performed admirably despite an horrific agony.







        ...Champagne btw...

        Source
        http://seekingalpha.com/news/
        Last edited by TomcatViP; 11th March 2015, 08:50.

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        • J Boyle
          With malice towards none
          • Oct 2004
          • 9791

          Originally posted by charliehunt View Post
          I wonder that injunctions cannot be taken out against the publication of this sort of rubbish....
          Charge him with what...bad guesses?

          Just like outfits still making a buck on poor Amelia Earhart, (and UFO nuts and conspiracy theorists of all stripes) this will be a cash cow for writers for years.

          Now, the Germanwings crash will breath some life back into this story.
          Last edited by J Boyle; 28th March 2015, 21:58.
          There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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          • 27vet
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            • Nov 2009
            • 2698

            Posting this here, it remains to be seen whether the debris is indeed from this aircraft, or another.
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter_mailonline
            sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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            • TomcatViP
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              • Nov 2011
              • 6108

              Sea Current Map (non-detailled):

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              • 27vet
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                • Nov 2009
                • 2698

                If the debris is indeed from MH370 then the people who claimed to have seen the plane over the Maldives may well be right. But we have to wait for the investigators to confirm the origin.
                sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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                • TomcatViP
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 6108

                  Nothing to confirm such hypothesis.

                  The sea current map show well that an object afloat West of Australia can ends on the shore of La Runion.

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                  • TomcatViP
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                    • Nov 2011
                    • 6108

                    Investigators forced to flee for their lives as scientists warned for "imminent" volcano eruption


                    An emergency evacuation is underway on the island of Reunion where Le Piton de la Fournaise has recorded unusual activity.
                    [...]
                    The experts arrived in the morning, left their bags and were apparently forced to depart immediately.
                    [...]
                    The pending eruption bizarrely comes just hours after it was reported the suspected wreckage of missing passenger jet Malaysian Airlines MH370 washed up on the beach.
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                    Typical lava Flow:

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                    Sensed Temperature today:



                    Sensed Earthquake:

                    Update 31st of July


                    Frequent (several per year), but generally small eruptions have been a typical feature of Piton de la Fournaise during much of the volcano's recent past decades.

                    Source:
                    http://www.express.co.uk/
                    volcanodiscovery.com
                    Last edited by TomcatViP; 31st July 2015, 19:25.

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                    • TomcatViP
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                      • Nov 2011
                      • 6108

                      I noted this on the daily Beast:

                      The Daily Beast asked an expert familiar with the Boeing 777 what could be read from just one small but relatively intact control surface like the flaperon.

                      “It looks like the jet went into the water in a gliding/ditching attitude, because otherwise this wing component would have likely been completely destroyed.”
                      But we already know (prem report as discussed here) that the plane flew with both its engine shut down (fuel starvation) for a considerable time to asses a glide trajectory.

                      Clive Irving suppose the fact that the flap was found intact is a sign that the plane went ditching. But you certainly don't want to ditch a low wing plane with flaps down !

                      Excerpt of an emergency ditching procedure (power off)

                      Power-off Ditching:
                      RADIO--TRANSMIT MAYDAY on 121.5 MHz or any other frequency, if able, giving location and intentions.
                      WING FLAPS--AS DESIRED (Flaps up recommended).
                      Flaps induce a nose down attitude, higher sink rate (power off) and water spraying on the flap's surface will induce a violent rotation upon impact.

                      An experienced flyer like the Pilot, won't have made such error (at least supposedly).

                      EDIT (31st of July):

                      From CNN

                      [Trace of damage on the extrados of the flaperon could indicate that the] Flaperon was down as it went into the ocean, some members of Exner's group wrote in a preliminary assessment after looking at photos and videos of the component.

                      But the lack of damage to the front makes it more likely the plane was in a high-speed, steep, spiral descent and the part fluttered until it broke off, the group said.

                      But an aircraft component specialist who spoke to CNN disagreed.

                      The lack of damage to the front section "tells me that the component could still have likely been back in its original position inside the wing itself," said Michael Kenney, senior vice president of Universal Asset Management, which provides plane components to airlines.

                      Source:
                      www.pilotfriend.com
                      CNN.com
                      Last edited by TomcatViP; 31st July 2015, 19:38.

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                      • 27vet
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                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2698

                        Investigators forced to flee for their lives as scientists warned for "imminent" volcano eruption
                        Looks like the gods are angry, don't want us to find out what happened.
                        sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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                        • TomcatViP
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 6108

                          Originally posted by 27vet View Post
                          Looks like the gods are angry, don't want us to find out what happened.
                          It's rather bizarre.

                          I have been reading local witnesses comments in French and they do confirm that no evacuation is in place or necessary outside of the naturally formed lava pathway delimited by a park. Helicopters are still able to fly outside of that zone. The volcano there is not explosive but diffusive. So, there are a fair number of variables to asses the danger.

                          This black-out is simply grotesque.

                          By the way, what is more important here are the suitcases debris. Luggage in the cargo bay could give information regarding traces of toxic fumes potentially ruling out a fair number of hypothesis.
                          Last edited by TomcatViP; 31st July 2015, 19:29.

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                          • TEEJ
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                            • Oct 2005
                            • 2354

                            It appears that the flaperon was discovered further up the beach about a month ago. The person didn't realise the significance of the part and didn't report it.

                            Sky News UK ran a piece to camera from the island on the flaperon being spotted earlier. The claim was that others have come forward to say that they had seen the same aircraft part a month ago in the surf. The claim was that it was spotted at a different location further up the beach. Possibly the claim is true? Possibly the people that have come forward just dismissed it at the time as a piece of old boat wreckage?

                            Another group of people told Sky News they saw what could have been the same debris a month ago, further up the beach, meaning it could have been floating around the Reunion coast for some time.
                            Video at following link.

                            Video: MH370 Debris Found 'A Month Ago'

                            http://news.sky.com/story/1528673/mh...und-wing-piece

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                            • TEEJ
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 2354

                              Possibly other debris from MH370 was burned by Mr Ferrier who is employed as a beach cleaner?

                              MH370: ''Plane seat'' found washed up on Reunion Island three months ago

                              Yet Mr Ferrier had no idea of the significance of the object. Flotsam and jetsam washed up are part of his everyday life on the inhospitable beach, where nobody dares to enter the fierce waves and shark-infested waters.
                              “I found a couple of suitcases too, around the same time, full of things,” he said, almost in passing.
                              What did you do with them?
                              “I burnt them,” he said, pointing to the pile of ashes lying on the boulders. “That’s my job. I collect rubbish, and burn it.
                              “I could have found many things that belonged to the plane, and burnt them, without realising.”

                              .....


                              He also saw the wing which washed up on Wednesday – although in May, the barnacles encrusting its side were still alive. By the time it washed ashore again this week, the crustaceans were dead. “Like the seat, I didn’t know what it was. “I sat on it. I was fishing for macabi (bonefish) and used it as a table. I really didn’t pay it much attention – until I saw it on the news.” His story is backed up by that of another local woman, named only as Isabelle, who spotted the same object while walking on the beach in May, accompanied by her 10-year-old son. "It was the beginning of the holidays - around May 10," she told local news website Zinfos974 "I was walking with my son, Krishna. Then from a rock on which we were standing, he saw an object and shouted: 'Mum, that looks like the wing of a plane!'" Krishna then jumped on what looked like a suitcase. He managed to prise it open, and then spotted another suitcase buried in the black sand.

                              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...onths-ago.html

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                              • Fedaykin
                                Fueled by Tea
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 5290

                                This rather presents a problem, the debris could of reached Reunion from the current search area if it washed up in the last few weeks just about. If the debris started to wash up in May then the search area might well be wrong.
                                Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNAp3mKepc

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                                • nJayM
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                                  • Jun 2008
                                  • 1687

                                  The lack of local knowledge in dealing with similar debris is not surprising. The entire population of the world and the islands in the Indian Ocean have to be forgiven if they do not recognise aircraft fragments or debris and immediately relate it to MH370.

                                  The important thing is to focus on what is found from now on and especially any baggage debris is vital as it will give an indication of possibly which flight the wreckage came from.

                                  Let's hope that this may be the biggest lead so far and that the expert investigators do their work safely, meticulously and accurately.
                                  Last edited by nJayM; 2nd August 2015, 14:18. Reason: typo
                                  Jay

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                                  • TomcatViP
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                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 6108

                                    I am not sure of that. I won't make you the offense to swap my fur for some Hercule Poirot's outfits, but the beaches are cleaned by worker paid by the local administration. Items are supposedly collected or burnt on the place.
                                    - First, I find such a procedure really awkward (being paid by an administration to burn plastics and others product rejecting nocive gasses openly and without protection). This will stand apart of any French laws.
                                    - Secondly, french administrative workers have no real incentives for self-initiatives. I then don't see how the local administration could not have been aware if such debris were hitting the beaches regularly. Worker would have reported or filed complaints that those can't be reduced in hash with a campfire.
                                    - Third, it's upon the local Gendarmerie to make sure state laws are applied. Campfire destroying evidences openly with dark heavy fumes would have been something that caught their attention.

                                    It will be interesting to know when those trash collectors were recruited and organised in such a manner that nobody seems responsible of their acts. I have quickly checked local job board website for example.

                                    Read more on the same line


                                    EDIT:
                                    China still refusing to contribute funds to MH370 search

                                    Australia had spent $76 million on the search to date, and Malaysia had contributed $40 million
                                    Source:
                                    www.news.com.au
                                    www.perthnow.com.au
                                    Last edited by TomcatViP; 2nd August 2015, 20:38.

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                                    • TEEJ
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                                      • Oct 2005
                                      • 2354

                                      Now confirmed that the flaperon is from MH370.

                                      Part of the aircraft wing found on Reunion island is from the missing MH370 plane, Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak has confirmed.
                                      Mr Razak said international experts examining the debris in France had "conclusively confirmed" it was from the aircraft.

                                      The Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 239 people veered off course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014.
                                      The debris was examined at an aeronautical test centre near Toulouse. It was found on the remote French Indian Ocean island of Reunion a week ago.

                                      In a statement, Mr Razak said the "the burden and uncertainty faced by the families" in the 515 days since the aircraft disappeared had been "unspeakable".
                                      "We now have physical evidence that flight MH370 tragically ended in the southern Indian Ocean," he added.
                                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33794012

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                                      • J Boyle
                                        With malice towards none
                                        • Oct 2004
                                        • 9791

                                        Originally posted by TEEJ View Post
                                        Now confirmed that the flaperon is from MH370.
                                        Hardly a surprise since it was already known to be from a 777.
                                        Anyone know why the French team waited a few days (I believe it got to France over the weekend) before testing/looking at the piece?
                                        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                                        • TomcatViP
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 6108

                                          That is another mystery.

                                          Also given the process that will be used by the DGA for analyzing the part, I fear that we might have another french prosecutor nose-diving on his own theory (explosive). French inquiry being leaded by an anti-terrorism Judge (magistrate investigator). See the beginning of a polemic surrounding some presumed (by Fr prosecutor) hidden information by the Malaysian inquiry...

                                          Note this following the conference in Paris:

                                          experts from Boeing and the National Transportation Safety Board who had seen the object, a piece of what is known as a flaperon, were not yet fully satisfied, and called for further analysis.

                                          Their doubts were based on a modification to the flaperon part that did not appear to exactly match what they would expect from airline maintenance records


                                          Source:
                                          The New York Times
                                          Last edited by TomcatViP; 6th August 2015, 00:32.

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