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By: - 15th June 2013 at 14:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Many who use bizjets...most probably, want size and space.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to be squeezed into that
Small jets like the Phenom are about the smallest practical size.
A single engine also limits over water use...engines till can and do fail
By: - 15th June 2013 at 17:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Many who use bizjets...most probably, want size and space.I can't imagine anyone wanting to be squeezed into that
Small jets like the Phenom are about the smallest practical size.
A single engine also limits over water use...engines till can and do fail
As I see it the Eclipse500 is a twin as is my canard..Eclipse400 was a single engine machine.
Could it be that the small PW610 engines on 500 are a tad too weak..both are pretty slow.
I was figuring this VT-Cruzer could fly 900 km/h at FL 400 for 3600 km without refuelling and 1100 km/h around 2400 km.
It would be like sitting in a sail plane...comfortable enough when you get used to it.
Flying Oulu-Norilsk-Magadan-Nome-Regina-Charlottetown-Reykjavik-Oulu in less than 48 hours would beat the world record about 9 hrs.
I think that would be awesome sales certificate.
By: - 16th June 2013 at 10:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here ios some serious tuning to it.
1950 nm range and 900 km/h cruise.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]217652[/ATTACH]
By: - 16th June 2013 at 18:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How do you fit all the flight controls, nav gear, aircon units etc. in such a small space and have something that's possible to service.
Still don't see how it's easy to get in and out of. People when they get older get still and often larger.
A so many in a small cramped space...toilets??
What about getting out quick in an emergency.
Where does the baggage go?
I just can't see a use for a jet this small.
By: - 16th June 2013 at 20:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How do you fit all the flight controls, nav gear, aircon units etc. in such a small space and have something that's possible to service.Still don't see how it's easy to get in and out of. People when they get older get still and often larger.
A so many in a small cramped space...toilets??
What about getting out quick in an emergency.
Where does the baggage go?
I just can't see a use for a jet this small.
GR !
You are right it is 10% too small as it is now.
Citation Mustang has similar engines and is double sized.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]217662[/ATTACH]
Idea is to go really fast for 3000 km dashes that you don't need to go to toilet.
By: - 16th June 2013 at 22:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How about now...10% bigger ?!
By: - 25th June 2013 at 19:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here is the latest version..CG problem solved....and toilet/lavatory that the Mustang doesn't have.
1200-2000 nm range at 500 ktas speed should do it.
By: - 25th June 2013 at 20:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm looking forward to a Cessna 172-class SE jet. It should be possible...after all a jet has fewer parts than a piston engine and can burn any decent fuel.
Do I expect to see one in the next 30 years? No, not really, but hope springs eternal.
By: - 26th June 2013 at 09:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm looking forward to a Cessna 172-class SE jet. It should be possible...after all a jet has fewer parts than a piston engine and can burn any decent fuel.
Do I expect to see one in the next 30 years? No, not really, but hope springs eternal.
I have no idea but I checked that there was a 16 seater "almost" VLJ once...SN601 Corvette.
Also YAK-40 and Boeing 737 sported 0.84 and 0.89 kN / soul. So my diminutive at 12 seater is 1.08 kN/soul powered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Corvette
VT-Cruzer sports much more wing area than Corvette yet is much smaller in overall size ( to be fast with smaller engines ).
Here is a list of jets with their output and you can see for yourself:
Antonov A-13M 0.23 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=77
Prue 215A 0.245 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=13
Ventus 0.32 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=60
MC15 jet 0.33 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=278
Alisport Silent J 0.45 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=16
Cri-Cri jet 0.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri
Sirocket 0.46 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=327
Subsonex JSX-1 1.05 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=296
Acrostar BD-5J 1.1 kN; http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/q-branch/...nijet.php3
Fouga CM.8 Cyclope II 1.6 kN; http://www.aviafrance.com/fouga-cm-8r9-8-cyclope-ii-aviation-france-9348.htm
Microstar ( Variviggen Jet ) 1.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=31 ( 2 seater )
Caproni C22 1.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=36 ( 2 seater )
Microjet 200 2.2 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=39 ( 2 seater )
Fouga CM88 2.75 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=130 ( 2 seater )
Miles Sparrowjet 2.94 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Sparrowjet
Ikarus 451M 3.0 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_451M ( 1 cannon + 6 rockets )
Ikarus 452 M 3.2 kN; http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/2048-ikarus-452-m/ ( 2 x cannon )
Ambrosini Sagittario 3.8 kN; http://www.aviastar.org/air/italy/ambrosini_sagittario.php
Gloster E.28/39 3.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39
Cosyjet 3.8 kN ;http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=90
Berkut Jet 3.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=237
Velocity Jet 3.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=91
Miles M100 Student 3.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Student
N-20.2 " ARBALETE" 4.0 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=75
He-178 4.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Temco TT Pinto 4.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto
SAAB 210 4.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_210
GAF Pika 4.7 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=94
Eclipse 400 4.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_400
Viperjet ( proto ) 4.95 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=109
.................................................. .................................................. ..............................................0 to 5 kN planes
CMC Leopard II 6.1 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=116
V-JET II 6.12 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=278
Maverick TwinJet 7.6 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=89
Ha-200 7.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=101
He-162 7.85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162 ( e-seat )
Fouga Magister 7.84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister
Eclipse500 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500
Epic Victory 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Victory
Handley Page HP.115 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_HP.115
Cirrus SJ50 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_SJ50_Vision
Diamond D-Jet 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_D-Jet
Yak-15 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-15
LA-150 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_Aircraft_150
YAK-17 8.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-17
T-37 9.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
Nakajima Kikka 9.4 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=245&no_cache=1
PZL TS-11 Iskra 9.81 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_TS-11_Iskra ( 2 x e-seats )
LA-152 10.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-152
YAK-19 10.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-19
Soko G-2 Galeb 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2_Galeb ( E-seats )
Aermacchi MB-326 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_MB-326 ( 2 e-seats )
LA-160 11.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_Aircraft_160
He-280 11.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280
Adam A700 12 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_A700
McDonnell Phantom I 12.2 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=297
Piper-Jet PA-47 12.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-47_PiperJet
Viperjet mkII 12.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viper_Aircraft_ViperJet
Citation Mustang 13 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_Mustang
XF-85 Goblin 13.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin
VisionAire Vantage 13.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV-20_Vantage_Jet
ARES 13.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARES ( E-seat )
Saab J-21R 13.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
Bird of Prey 14.2 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Bird_of_Prey
Phenom 100 14.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_100
DH.100 Vampire 14.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire
SAAB 105 15 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_105
MIG-9 15.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-9
YAK-23 15.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-23
LA-15 15.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-15
Epic Elite 16 kN; http://www.aircraftcompare.com/helicopter-airplane/Epic-Elite/339#spec
Avro 707 16 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_707
Hongdu JL-8 16.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8
Aerfer Sagittario 2 16.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerfer_Sagittario_2
DH.108 Swallow 16.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH_108
Comp Air Jet 16.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerocomp_Comp_Air_Jet
Tamjet 17 kN; http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aliner/tamjet.html
Aero L-29 Delfin 17.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-29_Delf%C3%ADn
Citation CJ1 17.48 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_CitationJet
Me-262; 17,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
Arado 234 B-2 17.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
P-59 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
FJ-1 Fury 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-1_Fury
Honda Jet 18.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_HA-420_HondaJet( 8 seater )
Cessna Citation I 19.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_I
.................................................. .................................................. ............................................5 to 20 kN planes
Emivest SJ30 20.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emivest_SJ30 ( 7 seater, prototype demolished by hurricane Ike )
Raytheon 390 Premier I 20.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Premier_I ( 8 seater )
S9000 Trident 20.1 kN ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASO_Trident ( Mach 1.6 )
Folland Gnat 20.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat
Helwan HA-300 21.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300 ( MACH 2.1 with 48 kN using AB designed by Willy Messerschmitt )
Br 1001 Taon 21,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_Taon
Supermarine Attacker 22 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Attacker
BAE_Jet_Provost 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost
Fiat G.91 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
SN601 Corvette 22.24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospatiale_Corvette ( 16 seater )
Boulton _Paul_P.111 22.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_P.111
Hawker Sea Hawk 23.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Hawk
Canadair CT-114 Tutor 23.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CT-114_Tutor
P-80 24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-...oting_Star
Aerfer Ariete 24.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerfer_Ariete
Grop G180 SPn 24.88 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_SPn
Lear Jet 23 25.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_23 ( 8 seater )
Hawker 400XP 25.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon_Hawker_400XP ( 11 seater )
T-1-Jayhawk 26 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon_T-1_Jayhawk
LearJet24 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_24
LearJet 25 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lear_Jet_25 ( 10 seater )
Hansa Jet 26.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFB-320_Hansa_Jet ( 17 seater )
Alpha Jet 26.4; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet
F9F Panther 26.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F9F_Panther
Mig-15 26,5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15
F-86 26,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre
Citation Encore 27.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_V#Citation_Encore.2FEncore.2B
SAAB-27 Tunnan 27.5 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
Embraer Phenom 300 28.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_Phenom_300 ( 9 seater one in toilet )
BAE HAWK 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk
F2H Banshee 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F2H_Banshee
Dassault Falcon 10 29.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_10 ( 10 seater )
YAK-40 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-40 ( 35 seater )
Dassault Mystere 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Myst%C3%A8re
SE5000 Baroudeur 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_Baroudeur
LearJet45 31 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_45
Gloster Meteor 31,2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
Kawasaki T-4 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_T-4
White Knight 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp...ite_Knight
F-84 32.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-...nderstreak
Mig-17 33.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17
T-38 Talon 34 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon
XB-43 Jetmaster 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-43_Jetmaster
A4D Skyhawk 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
F-9 Cougar 38 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-9_Cougar
A4F Skyhawk 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
LearJet_60 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_60
Saunders Roe SR.53 43 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.53 ( Mach 2.2 )
Avro 720 43.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_720 ( mach 2.0 )
Dassault Super Mystere 44.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Su...st%C3%A8re
F-5 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
IAR-93 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-93
Fairey Delta 44.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Delta
Hawker Hunter 45.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter
PZL-230 Scorpion 45.6 kN; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/w...zl-230.htm
YAK-25 46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-25
Grumman F-11 Tiger 46.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-11_Tiger
AMX 49.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX
Super Enterdard 49.5 kN; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/super_etendard.pl
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. 20 to 50 kN planes
YAK-130 50 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
SE-212 Durandal 50.35 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_SE-212_Durandal
Il-28 53 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
Fairchild Dornier 328JET 53.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Dornier_328JET ( 37 seater )
F7U Cutlass 54 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F7U_Cutlass
M-346 57 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_M-346
XF-91 Thunderceptor 58.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF-91_Thunderceptor
Bombardier_300 60.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_300( 18 seater )
Mirage III 60.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
Bristol 188 62 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
MIG-19 63.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19
YAK-38 64 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38
F-7 64.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II
Chengdu J-7 64.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
Sepecat Jaguar 65 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar
SAAB-32 Lansen 65.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen
WFW-Fokker 614 66.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFW-614 ( 46 seater )
Guizhou JL-9 66.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
Südaviation Vautour 68.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
Mitsubishi F-1 71.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-1
XB-51 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_XB-51
Mig-21 69,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
F-104 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
F-102 Delta_Dagger 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger
F4D Skyray 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F4D_Skyray
F-100 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri...uper_Sabre
Mirage F1 70.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_F1
Nanchang Q-5 73.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5
Shenyang J-6/F6 73.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
YAK-27 Mandrake 74.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-27
F-20 Tigershark 76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
Bombardier Challenger 850 77.68 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_850 ( 17 seater )
Embraer ERJ 145 78.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_ERJ_135 ( 53 seater )
Embraer Legacy 600 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_Legacy_600 ( 17 seater )
Kfir 79.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
J-35 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken
TA-50 Golden Eagle 78.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
Jas J-39 Gripen 80 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen
F-8 Crusader 80.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
A-10 80.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II
Bombardier CRJ200 82 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_CRJ200 ( 54 seater )
A-6 Intruder 82.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
F-CK-1 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo
Hongdu L-15 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15
JF-17 84.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
HAL Tejas 85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas
Dassault F7X 85.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_7X
Fokker F28 88 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_F28 ( 89 seater )
B-66 Destroyer 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_B-66_Destroyer
SU-9 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-9
IAI Lavi 91.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi
Su-7 94.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-7
Mirage 2000 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000
Martin RB-57D Canberra 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_RB-57D_Canberra
SU-11 96 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-11
Backburn Buccaneer 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer
Avro Vulcan 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..50 to 100 kN planes
Nord 1500 Griffin 102.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_1500_Griffon ( mach 2.19 )
A8-Harrier II 105 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV-8B_Harrier_II
SR177 106 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.177 ( mach 2.35 )
DC-9 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9
F-105 Thunderchief 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-...underchief
F-106 Delta_Dart 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-106_Delta_Dart
SU-17 109.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17
A-3 Skywarrior 110.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A3D_Skywarrior
MIG-27 112.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-27
J-37 Viggen 121 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
Canadair Regional Jet CR700 122.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRJ1000#CRJ1000_NextGen ( 80 seater )
White Knight Two 122.76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp...Knight_Two
Fokker 70 123.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_70 ( 87 seater )
Fokker 100 123.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_100 ( 124 seater )
BAE 146 ( AVRO RJ ) 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_146
Boeing 737 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737 ( 139 seater )
YAK-28 Brever 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28
Super Caravelle 124.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravelle
Embraer 175 124.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_195#E-190.2F195 ( 90 seater )
Mitsubishi F-2 125 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
MIG-23 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23
F-16 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn...ing_Falcon
J-10 130 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10
Bombardier Global Express 5000 131 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Global_5000
An-148 134 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-148 ( 82 seater )
J-8 137.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-8
SU-15 140 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15
Mirage IV 141 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IV
English Electric Lightning 142,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...100 to 150 kN planes
Dassault Rafale 151.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
Gulfstream_650 150.4 kN; http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g650/...ations.htm
F-101 Voodoo 150.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-101_Voodoo
A-5 Vigilante 152 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri..._Vigilante
Panavia Tornado 153.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado
Sukhoi_Superjet_100 156 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
F117 Night Hawk 157.4 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117A_Nighthawk
F-18 158 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D...-18_Hornet
F-4 Phantom II 158.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D...Phantom_II
F111 159.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn...1_Aardvark
Mig-29 162.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29
MD-82 164 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-80
Eurofighter Typhoon 178 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
TU-154 180 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154 ( 184 seater )
Xian JH-7 182.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7
Tupolev Tu-16 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16
Xian H-6 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6
Mirage 4000 190 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000
JSF F-35 191 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma...ghtning_II
YAK-42 191.25 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-42 ( 124 seater )
Boeing B-47 Strato Jet 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-47_Stratojet
Airbus 318-100 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family
F/F-18 Super Hornet 195.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-...per_Hornet
LA-250 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-250
Myasishchev M-55 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55
TU-128 198 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....150 to 200 kN planes
Mig-25 200 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-2
Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow 209 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
Tu-28 Fiddler 215.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
SU-24 219.6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24
F-15 220 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D...F-15_Eagle
F-111 224 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn...1_Aardvark
YAK-141 235,4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141
SU-30 245.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
SU-27 245,6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhoi_Su-27
F-14 247.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat
SU-33 251 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-33
J-11 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11#J-11
SU-34 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
Shenyang J-15 270 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
TSR-2 273.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2
B-58 Hustler 277.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler
SU-47 284.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47
A-12 288 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12
SU-37 290 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37
DC-8 298.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....200 to 300 kN planes
SR-71 302 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
Convair YB-60 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60
Mig-31 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
B-2 308 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Gr...B-2_Spirit
YF-23 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23
F-22 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma...-22_Raptor
TU-204 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-204 ( 214 seater )
PAKFA 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
TU22 324 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22
Concorde 338 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
MIG-39 ( Project 1.44 ) 354 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
J-20 Chengdu 360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
Myasishchev M-4 372.8 kN; http://www.airvectors.net/avbison.html
TU-26 Backfire 403.8 kN; http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_tupolew_tu-26_backfire.html
Y20 412 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-20
Myasishchev VM-T 421.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_VM-T
TU-22M 490.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
DC-10 534 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10
B-1 547.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer
B-52 608 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
Sukhoi T-4 628 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4
Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 640 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
C-5 Galaxy 760 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy
XB-70 Valkyrie 768 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri...0_Valkyrie
Boeing_747 836 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747
Airbus A350-1000 862 kN; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A350_XWB ( 550 seater )
TU-160 980 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160
Airbus A380 1360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380
An 225 1377 kN; [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya
By: - 26th June 2013 at 10:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The SFC of the small PWC600s is at 0.45. Much better than Trent XWB ( which is supposed to be 9.5 % better than Trent 500 ).
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2000/2000-1%20-%201800.html
Only thing hindering small VLJ size planes is that they need two pilots like big ones..making them lesser profitable.
By: - 26th June 2013 at 12:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here is now what this smaller composite jet with similar amount of seats in VLJ size looks with bigger SN601 Corvette.
It is 41 % smaller but also has 41 % less output.
Cruzer wing loading is 220 kg/m2 vs 300 kg/m2 in SN601.
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By: topspeed - 15th June 2013 at 14:17
I am a bit annoyed that the small ( very lite jet ) bizjet concept sorta did not see brighter future.
Eclipse 400 did not succeed; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_400
Eclipse500 did not fair much better;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500
INSERT from latter;
Some aircrew flying the aircraft have been critical of the Eclipse 500, its systems and frequent failures. One corporate pilot who is captain type-rated in several FAR 121 and 135 aircraft and who has extensive flight hours on the Eclipse 500 said:
When I have to fly the Eclipse, I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the next disaster to take place. For instance, I've been flying for over 30 years and have never had to go on emergency oxygen, except during routine training. Since flying the Eclipse, I've had to go on emergency oxygen twice now due to fumes in the cockpit and in the cabin. Eclipse seemingly has no idea how to fix these aircraft problems. Flying at 41,000 feet, you don't have much time to deal with these continuous, on-going, very serious issues. All I know is that every time I've had to fly the Eclipse, I'm truly scared.[3]
Anyone care to comment on my MACH 0.98 VT-CRUZER ? Same scale with Eclipse400 ( and my diminutive mach 2 jet ).
I have tried to apply size reduction by squeezing the folks inside ( tilting the seat and moving the seats at different stages > loading and inflight ) a little tighter and shaping the fuselage more rectangularish...sorta blended body.