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  • nordjet415
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2005
    • 133

    Boeing 777s to fly from LBA

    Pakistan International Airlines are to commence Boeing 777 flights on its twice weekly Leeds/Bradford to Islamabad schedule, replacing the aging A310s from 13th March

    This is great news for LBA



    www.lbia.co.uk
  • Giblets
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Mar 2008
    • 458

    #2
    More of a techie question, but will that be negatively weight limited? The runway is only 7,300ft.

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    • nordjet415
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Oct 2005
      • 133

      #3
      Exactly what I was thinking as well. I guess certain weather conditions will have to be considered, especially when its hot, calm wind and a runway 32 departure. I can see some flights being diverted to Manchester in this case.

      No doubt the spotters will be out in full force for the first visit !!

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      • Mr Merry
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2013
        • 919

        #4
        It won't be landing much, if you have wind at L/B it's usually a cross wind. Then you have the fog issue. Prone to snow due to the elevation. Not an idea site for an airport!

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        • Giblets
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Mar 2008
          • 458

          #5
          Remember coming in during windy weather, another 757 was doing about 3 approaches, the Ryanair pilot was not going to do that! first time I have heard a UK passenger aircraft clap out of relief at the landing (due to the weather).
          Last edited by Deano; 19th February 2013, 00:05. Reason: COC RULE 14

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          • ThreeSpool
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Mar 2010
            • 956

            #6
            LBA-ISB is ~3,300nm. The 7,300ft runway will allow for a max ~47T payload for the 777-200ER, ~64T for the 777-200LR and ~37T for the 777-300ER. All ballpark, and not taking into account winds, and fuel reserves.

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            • Deano
              Moderator
              • Aug 2003
              • 3098

              #7
              LBA's runway is actually alot shorter than that, the declared distances are as follows:

              Rwy 14 (Threshold)

              TORA: 1803 m
              ASDA: 1803 m
              LDA: 1802 m

              Rwy 32 (Threshold)

              TORA: 1913 m
              ASDA: 1913 m
              LDA: 1916 m
              http://www.findmadeleine.com

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              • lbaspotter
                lbaspotters.net
                • May 2004
                • 784

                #8
                It was confirmed that the Islamabad - Leeds rout will remain operate as a non-stop service when the Boeing 777-200ER start from next month.

                I understand that PIA's Boeing 777's have the more powerful GE90 engines on them. Their 200ERs have 94K the 200LRs have 110K whilst the larger 300ERs have 115K.

                So yes it’ll be tight as LBA's runway is just 7382ft in length, Landing at typical weight requires around 5000ft so a runway 14 arrival will need to be on the numbers! LDA for runway 14 is only 5912ft where as the LDA for runway 32 is 6286ft, so plenty of room there.

                Max weight departures will not happen as it would mean they would be limited on payload and most likely require a tech stop enroute. The good news is that seen as Leeds to Islamabad is nowhere near max range of the Boeing 777 aircraft this shouldn’t be an issue, So it will be able to remain a non-stop service..
                lbapotters.net News, Info & Daily Movements www.lbaspotters.net

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                • Dxb Driver
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • May 2006
                  • 34

                  #9
                  Trust me! LBA is short for a 777. Newcastle is getting there, as one of the shortest, for the -300ER.
                  On a wet and windy day, no thanks LBA.

                  DXB Driver.

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                  • lbaspotter
                    lbaspotters.net
                    • May 2004
                    • 784

                    #10
                    The figures i quoted above were for the Boeing 777-300 aircraft so yeah I agree with what you say Dxb Driver. But the good news is that Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) will be using the Boeing 777-200ER which won’t be as problematic for the obvious reasons...
                    Last edited by Deano; 1st March 2013, 21:54. Reason: COC RULE 14
                    lbapotters.net News, Info & Daily Movements www.lbaspotters.net

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                    • Sunjet757
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 60

                      #11
                      Looks like this is a non-starter. The change of aircraft in mid-February failed to materialise. The schedule then showed the 777 operating from the 30th March, however the whole summer schedule is now back to being operated by the old Airbus A310's.

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                      • ThreeSpool
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 956

                        #12
                        Did they not just cancel an order for second-hand A320s? I'm sure I read that they even had the registrations ready, but at the last minute dropped the deal. Would this suggest that all isn't well with PIA fleet planning?

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