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  • Paolins92
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    • Apr 2012
    • 77

    #81
    And the launch customer is.... Gulf Air!!!
    Bombardier Discloses Gulf Air as Airline Customer for 10 CSeries Aircraft and Options for Another Six
    Bombardier Aerospace and Gulf Air disclosed today that a previous firm order for 10 CS100 aircraft, with options for an additional six aircraft, was placed by Gulf Air, the national carrier of the Kingdom of Bahrain.


    In other news IFC's shareholders approved the CS300 order, so it became firm:
    Russia's Ilyushin Finance Co. Firms Purchase Agreement for up to 42 Bombardier CSeries Aircraft
    Bombardier Aerospace announced today that its purchase agreement with Moscow-based leasing company Ilyushin Finance Co. (IFC) has been approved by IFC’s shareholders and is now firm.
    Each evening, stars come out their daylight hiding places... But one of those, is my wingtip, passing over...

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    • chornedsnorkack
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jul 2005
      • 1108

      #82
      Looking at the images of CSeries at:
      http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5752656/
      post 146
      The wing area of CSeries is quoted as 112 square m.
      The wing area of MD-80 is also 112 square m, although MD-80 has shorter wingspan and therefore wider chord and lower aspect ratio.

      How much can CSeries reasonably be stretched with existing wing and engines?

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      • chornedsnorkack
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jul 2005
        • 1108

        #83
        Delayed! To the end of July, so far:
        http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...grades-387701/

        So who is the launch customer, again? Gulf Air, or Malm Aviation?

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        • Paolins92
          Rank 4 Registered User
          • Apr 2012
          • 77

          #84
          The CSeries, imho, could be stretched to an A320-like seat capacity version without loosing too much performance (with existing wings), perhaps a 26k thrust version of the PW1500G could help in keeping performance equal.

          Regarding the delay, that's really a pity... Wish they fly really soon...
          Launch customer was advertized as Gulf Air when it was still an undisclosed customer, although till the reveal no one at BBD mentioned anything about it...
          Each evening, stars come out their daylight hiding places... But one of those, is my wingtip, passing over...

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          • chornedsnorkack
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jul 2005
            • 1108

            #85
            Originally posted by Paolins92 View Post
            The CSeries, imho, could be stretched to an A320-like seat capacity version without loosing too much performance (with existing wings), perhaps a 26k thrust version of the PW1500G could help in keeping performance equal.
            MD-80 had no engines stronger than JT8D-219, with just 21k lb. CSeries has 23,3k lb out of box. So how much bigger could CSeries be than the 172 seats of MD-80?

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            • chornedsnorkack
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jul 2005
              • 1108

              #86
              Cseries ran engines!

              http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...flight-388469/

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              • Amiga500
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Feb 2010
                • 2166

                #87
                http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-weeks-388672/

                Bit of a delay...


                But better taking their time and getting it right than end up looking at a smoking crater at the end of a runway!


                [also noises about an MRJ delay for Mitsubishi]

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                • chornedsnorkack
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 1108

                  #88
                  CSeries has taxied!
                  http://cseries.com/ftv1s-need-for-speed/

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                  • Paolins92
                    Rank 4 Registered User
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 77

                    #89
                    Hi everyone!

                    CSeries got painted! Almost there for First Flight...
                    Each evening, stars come out their daylight hiding places... But one of those, is my wingtip, passing over...

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                    • chornedsnorkack
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 1108

                      #90
                      The tests have been stretched by 3 months:
                      http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...o-2015-389738/

                      Does it mean that CS100 EIS is delayed into 2015? Or does it not? The original 18 month schedule, May 2013 to November 2014, already was supposed to include CS300 - because CS100 was supposed to EIS in June 2014 or so. Does the extension affect CS300 alone, and CS100 is completed in 12 months (by August 2014) or earlier? But why would CS300 then need 9 months testing, and not make do with 6 months as originally planned and adequate for a small stretch of an already tested CS100? Could it be that additional changes have been introduced to CS300, and that would delay CS300 relative to CS100?

                      Also, how long would Bombardier need to complete as yet undisclosed versions of CSeries, like extra long range (increased MTOW) versions, or CSeries Business Jet? Can they be completed within the May 2015 schedule, or not?

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                      • Paolins92
                        Rank 4 Registered User
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 77

                        #91
                        that article was slightly updated, because the flight test program was not stretched but the potential airspace restrictions near Montreal were.
                        Anyway, that timeframe includes CS100+CS300 test flights and post-certification flights (like ETOPS testing, precision RNP testing and ILS/autoland category increase testing)
                        The CSX00 and CSeries BJ are still off the shelf so, when (and if, but my guess is mostly when) they are going to be introduced Bombardier will apply for a further extension of the airspace restrictions.

                        For the MTOW increase, all 5 CS100 FTV already have full MTOW (58,5 tons). There will be a MTOW decrease (restriction) for urban operations.

                        Bombardier published also a video of the painting process:
                        A New Look for the CSeries FTV1
                        Each evening, stars come out their daylight hiding places... But one of those, is my wingtip, passing over...

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                        • chornedsnorkack
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 1108

                          #92
                          The full MTOW of CS100 is quoted at 58,967 t, not 58,5 t.

                          My point of MTOW increase was: CS300 has exact same wings as CS100, and also exact same engines (PW1524G, with 103,6 kN thrust each). Yet CS300 manages MTOW of 65,317 t. It would therefore seem to me that if there were any demand to increase CS100 loaded range beyond the standard 5463 km, that could be done with relatively modest modifications. So is there a chance to see a CS100LR, if not with the full 65 t MTOW of CS300, then a more modest MTOW bump?

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                          • chornedsnorkack
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 1108

                            #93
                            CSeries is allowed to fly:
                            http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...flight-390036/
                            When will it make use of that permit? Slow speed taxiing has been done, but before flight, there is still need for high speed taxiing, and rejected takeoffs.

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                            • Paolins92
                              Rank 4 Registered User
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 77

                              #94
                              Have no idea about the MTOW increase, if possible it will be done later in the program I guess.
                              Anyway the CS100 is offered with 19k, 21k or 23k lbf engines (84.1, 93.4 and 103.6 kN respectively) while the CS300 is only offered with the 21k and 23k lbf engines.

                              Bombardier started with "higher" speed testing (still below 60kt) yesterday. some pictures have been posted by patcard on flickr:
                              http://www.flickr.com/photos/patcard/





                              On the customers side, two airlines signed preliminary deals with lessor Ilyushin Finance Co. (which has 32 CS300+10 options on order).
                              Vim Airlines of Russia and UTair-Ukraine will take 5 CS300 on lease, each.
                              Each evening, stars come out their daylight hiding places... But one of those, is my wingtip, passing over...

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                              • chornedsnorkack
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 1108

                                #95
                                Originally posted by Paolins92 View Post
                                Have no idea about the MTOW increase, if possible it will be done later in the program I guess.
                                Anyway the CS100 is offered with 19k, 21k or 23k lbf engines (84.1, 93.4 and 103.6 kN respectively) while the CS300 is only offered with the 21k and 23k lbf engines.
                                What is the advantage of PW1521 and 1519 over PW1524?

                                Anyway: comparing the standard CS100 and base CS300:
                                they have the exact same MTOW (58 967 kg), same wing, and same engines (PW1524G). The difference is fuselage stretch.

                                Their take-off distance differs: standard CS100 takes off in 1463 m, base CS300 needs 1524 m.
                                The causes for difference might be:
                                the fuselage stretch of CS300 causes extra drag during takeoff run;
                                the maximum coefficient of lift of CS300 is smaller because of lower rotation angle, limited by the stretched tail, and therefore CS300 needs higher speed to lift off.

                                Is it known how much the takeoff distance of CSeries is stretched by PW1521 and PW1519 engines?

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