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  • fulcrum-aholic
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    • Jun 2006
    • 466

    Plane almost upside-down after co-pilot presses wrong button

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/travel/...tml?id=5477097
  • nJayM
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jun 2008
    • 1687

    #2
    This is the WSJ (Japanese edition)

    This is the WSJ (Japanese edition)

    http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2...ogle_news_blog

    "....The revelation came at an awkward time for the Japanese carrier, just hours after the first of the new-generation Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner jets on which it has built its future strategy finally landed in Tokyo on Wednesday, more than three years behind schedule.

    The celebratory mood was quickly over as Shin Nagase, a senior executive vice president at ANA, apologized and bowed deeply in front of TV cameras at a news conference to apologize for the trouble caused by the incident, which took place Sept. 6....

    ....ANA said a 38-year-old co-pilot likely hit the rudder trim controls by mistake instead of pushing the door unlock button to let the captain in after he stepped out of the cockpit to go to the restroom.

    Computer graphic images compiled by the safety board showed the plane turning almost upside down, but many passengers on board apparently did not realize the gravity of the situation, since it was already dark outside when the incident occurred at around 10:50 pm.

    Investigators said the co-pilot was quite experienced, with more than 35,000 total hours of flight time. Nonetheless, according to investigators, the slip-up cause a roll and descent so violent that the jet exceeded certain maximum allowable speeds and also was subjected to stresses beyond its acceleration limits...."

    You may want to look at these graphics as they are quite interesting to say the least -
    http://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/video/JA16AN-movie1.wmv

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCm5kW4jzx0&

    Boeing more than likely test flew the 787 to these or more severe limits if not ANA may do it for them unconsciously of course. Well customer feedback to Boeing takes all forms and incidents.
    Jay

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    • ~Alan~
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Mar 2010
      • 5021

      #3
      I shall look out for that one on the Discovery Channel.
      Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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      • David2386
        My new speed record
        • Jul 2004
        • 603

        #4
        The 38 year old FO had more than 35,000 flying hours...somehow I don't think so!
        Google can answer lots of questions, ever tried it?

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        • nJayM
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jun 2008
          • 1687

          #5
          It was China Airlines that flipped a Boeing 747 and it survived with all souls

          It was China Airlines that completely flipped a Boeing 747 and it survived with all souls on board. Amazing but true,

          A lot of coffee and other Chinese food would have made passengers look as if they'd been through a dumpster but otherwise they survived. Probably they still wake up at night

          Here is part 1 of that horror - you'l find the rest if you search using Google

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_uUgOfBkDM

          I'd say it put a whole new meaning on "Would you like your coffee in you or on you?" or "How do you wear your coffee white or brown?"

          Says something for Boeing aircraft though.
          Last edited by nJayM; 29th September 2011, 22:32. Reason: Clarifier and addition
          Jay

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          • nJayM
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jun 2008
            • 1687

            #6
            I think it includes his personal hours on a Pitts Special I guess

            Originally posted by David2386 View Post
            The 38 year old FO had more than 35,000 flying hours...somehow I don't think so!
            It does say Total flying hours - I guess many of those hours are in his own Pitts Special
            Jay

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            • Flightmech
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Feb 2009
              • 99

              #7
              Probable cause - Bad auditing

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              • fulcrum-aholic
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2006
                • 466

                #8
                I must say that it must have been a scary ride!!! Yikes!!!

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                • nJayM
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 1687

                  #9
                  Hiya Flightmech - no I shall not rise to that one

                  Originally posted by Flightmech View Post
                  Probable cause - Bad auditing
                  Hiya Flightmech - no I shall not rise to that one
                  Jay

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                  • nJayM
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1687

                    #10
                    Grandfather of FO probably a Kamikaze pilot whose son passed on the stories

                    Originally posted by fulcrum-aholic View Post
                    I must say that it must have been a scary ride!!! Yikes!!!
                    Grandfather of FO probably a Kamikaze pilot whose son passed on the stories of his death in the name of Imperial Japan and grandson FO decided he would see how he got on trying what he does in his Pitts Special in a 737.

                    If the Captain hadn't returned from the 'John' maybe we would have seen a carbon copy of China Airlines B747. Inverted flying of a 737 like a Pitts.

                    Great testing to near destruction for Boeing without risking their own test pilots.
                    Jay

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                    • Flightmech
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 99

                      #11
                      Originally posted by nJayM View Post
                      Hiya Flightmech - no I shall not rise to that one

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                      • Bmused55
                        Aaahh Emu!
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 11136

                        #12
                        Originally posted by nJayM View Post
                        It was China Airlines that completely flipped a Boeing 747 and it survived with all souls on board. Amazing but true,
                        Didn't said manoeuvre permanently add 2 degrees to the dihedral angle of the wings?
                        That 747 also went supersonic!
                        Bmused55

                        Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smite thee.

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                        • Arthur Pewtey
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 1000

                          #13
                          The 747 was badly damaged after a 5g pull-out - not sure it went supersonic though. All for the want of an engine failure.
                          So much for Pathos

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                          • Bmused55
                            Aaahh Emu!
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 11136

                            #14
                            Still a testament to how tough those 747s were/are built.

                            The engine failure may have be the beginning of the chain, but the crew's apathetic response to it and failure to trim the plane out caused their aerobatic excursion.

                            The crew redeemed themselves however by remaining calm and getting it back under control.
                            Bmused55

                            Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smite thee.

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                            • Ship 741
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 805

                              #15
                              DC-8 went supersonic once didn't it?

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                              • Grey Area
                                Punter
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 12157

                                #16
                                I know that the CV-990 did, on more than one occasion.
                                You can't fool owls.

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                                • nJayM
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jun 2008
                                  • 1687

                                  #17
                                  Lance thank you for reminding us about a now 'extinct' aircraft

                                  Lance thank you for reminding us about a now 'extinct' aircraft
                                  This is slightly off thread but if this video is accurate then it states that there were only 37 built which carried the name Convair.
                                  Anyone watching may wish to get a box of tissues when watching-
                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUBNHWuomU&NR=1
                                  Jay

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                                  • Grey Area
                                    Punter
                                    • Apr 2004
                                    • 12157

                                    #18
                                    I think you meant "Coronado" rather than "Convair".

                                    Convair was the manufacturer.

                                    The Coronado was the fastest airliner in the world until the advent of the SSTs.
                                    You can't fool owls.

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                                    • AutoStick
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jun 2011
                                      • 768

                                      #19
                                      " Ah So Greenhopper " All buttons look the same to me !!!!!!!
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                                      • 27vet
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2009
                                        • 2700

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by nJayM View Post
                                        It does say Total flying hours - I guess many of those hours are in his own Pitts Special
                                        Assuming the fellow in question started flying at age 18, 35,000 hours in 20 years would mean an average of 1750 hours per year. Not legal.

                                        Jay thanks for the link on the Convair 990. I've flown M.088 and seen the standing waves on the wingtips, but never M.091!

                                        Lance: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...r_990_Coronado
                                        sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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