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  • Newforest
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Apr 2005
    • 8892

    Vatican aircraft registrations.

    The Vatican has its own international prefix 'HV', does it or has it ever had aircraft registered with this prefix?
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  • longshot
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2008
    • 1676

    #2
    Don't know, but they looked into having their own airfield at the end of WWII.During WWII they had an agreement with the Italian Govt that air passengers to the Vatican (including US citizens) would be flown into Rome on an Italian airliner then transported in a limousine to the Vatican with the windows shuttered.

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    • mrtotty
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Mar 2008
      • 1062

      #3
      I thought someone on this forum said The Holy Father flies on Easyjet.
      What, then, does the Vatican need its own registration code for?

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      • Grey Area
        Punter
        • Apr 2004
        • 12157

        #4
        Perhaps it's because the Roman Catholic Church has been around for rather longer than Easyjet?
        You can't fool owls.

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        • 27vet
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Nov 2009
          • 2700

          #5
          I'm guessing that a runway in the Vatican would be for STOL aircraft only?
          sigpicHindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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          • longshot
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Aug 2008
            • 1676

            #6
            The report was in Flight, Feb8, 1945...The Vatican was considering a small airfield inside the grounds...a look at the current Google map shows large gardens which could perhaps accomodate a half-mile strip so,yes, STOL by our standards.

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            • tenthije
              Harrie Spotter
              • Jan 2000
              • 5102

              #7
              I don't think the Pope flew easyJet. It was a promotional stunt by easyJet following news reports that the Pope's visit to the UK was going to cost the UK tax payer in excess of 20 million pounds.

              On official state visits the Pope uses Alitalia on flights from the Vatican to his destination. On the way back to the Vatican the Pope flies a local airline of the country he visited. I do not know if this has to be the flag carrier (assuming there even is a designated flag carrier), or that any one airline will do.

              I do not know who the Pope flies with on unofficial flights. My guess would be the Vatican is more then able to afford a bunch of Gulfstreams or similar.
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              • mrtotty
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Mar 2008
                • 1062

                #8
                How about using Elijah's fiery chariot?

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                • Newforest
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 8892

                  #9
                  And so by the absence of any evidence, we can assume that no aircraft has ever been registered as HV- ? (Unless you know different!)
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                  • steve rowell
                    Expat Geordie
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 13281

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Grey Area View Post
                    Perhaps it's because the Roman Catholic Church has been around for rather longer than Easyjet?
                    Yes but with Vatican Air you get a free glass of wine and a wafer
                    Best Regards Steve

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                    • mrtotty
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 1062

                      #11
                      Suitably consecrated before take-off, of course.

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                      • KERVYN
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • May 2007
                        • 803

                        #12
                        Vatican aircraft ???

                        as introduction : from flagspot.net :
                        Aircraft Marking

                        The Holy See, naturally, doesn't have an air force. As far as I know it doesn't even have planes. However, when the pope is taking a flight, his arms appear next to the front door of the plane. See: www.airliners.net/351454, www.airliners.net/261961 and www.airliners.net/522829. It seems that those arms are left on the plane afterwards as a declaration "The Pope flew in this plane" as seen on the out-of-service ex-Viasa plane at www.airliners.net/484315.
                        Dov Gutterman, 28 June 2004

                        The pope travel only in "Catholic" airlines. When he visit a "Chatolic" state he uses the local flag carrier airline to his flight. If there are more then one flag-cattier, he don't insult anybody and used all of them.
                        In his visit to Mexico, the pope JP II used Mexicana on one way and Aero-Mexico on the other
                        It seems that the pope emblem is not removed afterwards and the plane still carry it as a token and to show that this is a "papal plane".
                        When visiting a non-Catholic state, the pope use Alitalia planes.
                        Dov Gutterman, 4 July 2007

                        last Sunday, I could see -on TV /France 3/ 3 mini-films of the new series 'le 5me Commandement'

                        and an aircraft (Diamond ?) with Vatican logo, &... if I saw well - a HV-registration...!!!

                        but I can't find anything of this (rare !) aircraft with Internet/Google...>> maybe you can...?

                        friendly, Etienne

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                        • Newforest
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 8892

                          #13
                          This will be news, if you find it!!!!!
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                          • KERVYN
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • May 2007
                            • 803

                            #14
                            VATICAN AIRCRAFT ? ...!

                            Yes, Newforest...

                            I've already found the original name of the series ; 'Ihr Aftrag, Pater Castell"

                            & here you have a view of the pilot & the passenger ;http://www.google.be/imgres?imgurl=h...w=1024&bih=639


                            let's hope for next Sunday, on TV... (have a look to ZDF ...!)

                            Monsignore Simon Castell ist ein Jesuit, der mit Sonderauftrag des Vatikan in der ganzen Welt Kriminalflle zu lsen hat, die immer in Zusammenhang mit der Kirche stehen. Pater Castell musste deshalb die verschiedensten Fhigkeiten erwerben, wie Flugzeug fliegen, verschlossene Schlsser und Tren ffnen, Selbstverteidigung erlernen und auch Motorrder reparieren.

                            Sendebegleitend zur 1. Staffel zeigte das ZDF in der sendereigenen Mediathek 4 sogenannte Webisodes, Kurzgeschichten, in denen die Vorgeschichte des Paters erzhlt wird, wie er zum Sonderbeauftragten ausgebildet wurde.

                            Jede Folge umfasst normalerweise 45 Minuten. Der Start der 3. Staffel wurde wegen des umfangreichen Szenariums in einer Doppelfolge mit 90 Minuten gesendet.


                            friendly, Etienne
                            Last edited by KERVYN; 6th June 2014, 13:17.

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                            • Newforest
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 8892

                              #15
                              Actually, it is on ZDF neo at 3.00 pm on Sunday which is going to be difficult to stay in for over two hours with the current weather! It looks as though it might be repeated on Monday, so will probably try and catch it then.
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                              • garryrussell
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 656

                                #16
                                Mybe not

                                Gibraltar has, or had VR-G for many years but I don't recall it being used.

                                Ireland had EJ- allocated, but never used it. That was EI,EJ allocated so manybe eventually they will.

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                                • Newforest
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Apr 2005
                                  • 8892

                                  #17
                                  Well for the sake of forum research, I forsook improving my suntan and watched the programme (which came from 2008!). The aircraft is a Diamond DA-40 and I couldn't read the registration as it went too fast! The radio call sign appeared to be 'V V E' which would not have been a Vatican number as the first would presumably have started as 'AAA'. A three letter call sign in that region would suggest a Swiss plane. The helicopter in the background was German registered. If anyone recorded it (!!), slow it down and check the registrations...................
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                                  • J Boyle
                                    With malice towards none
                                    • Oct 2004
                                    • 9807

                                    #18
                                    Awhile back on this forum, someone posted a photo of the Pope in a Agusta 139...it had Italian registration and was a company demonstrator.
                                    If he used it frequently, I'm sure Agusta would work with the Vatican for a temporary registration that could be attached as a decal.

                                    But with the current Pope's efforts to downplay the trappings of the office, I wouldn't think that would happen anytime soon...lest folks get the idea he has a very expensive helicopter of his own.
                                    There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                                    • KERVYN
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • May 2007
                                      • 803

                                      #19
                                      Vatican aircraft...

                                      well, guys, I've seen one ...!!!

                                      on Sunday evening / France 3/ in the episode "le trsor du commercant"...

                                      a Cessna registered HV-EIFC ...>> well visible .. twice <<< !!

                                      here is the URL of the video ;http://www.france3.fr/emission/le-5e...-06-2014-21h30

                                      BUT... it seems I'm not allowed to watch it.... being not a Frenchman !!!

                                      maybe you can select some good views from it (or another source )??


                                      AU SECOURS.... HELP...!!

                                      friendly, Etienne

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                                      • Newforest
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Apr 2005
                                        • 8892

                                        #20
                                        Even if you were a Frenchman but not living in France, you would not be allowed to watch it. Being a non German but living close to France, I am also not allowed to view it. It must be really controversial don't you think?!

                                        The suggested registration HV-EIFC seems so out of sequence that it is possibly a pseudo reg.
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