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    Mexican made aircraft. The 1920 Mexican helicopter

    here is the 1924 villasana helicopter
    This was one of the first helicopters built in the world, however it is not known if ever flew but some think it crashed and was lost
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    here we have the Quetzatcoatl built in mexico as a recce and bomber built in 1923 by Lascurain a mexican designer
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    Interesting looking machine - it appears the whole top biplane and propellor arrangement rotate to provide the lift.

    I wonder if the engine rotated with it and wether torque was a problem? And what would have driven it forward (or in any particular direction)?

    Roger Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPSmith View Post
    Interesting looking machine - it appears the whole top biplane and propellor arrangement rotate to provide the lift.

    I wonder if the engine rotated with it and wether torque was a problem? And what would have driven it forward (or in any particular direction)?

    Roger Smith.
    the propellers rotated with the blades, here are a few more pictures, the villasana helicopter and a TNCA series H monoplane both built in mexico by villasana, the series H was built from 1916 and 1919, only 12 were ever built
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    HERE WE SEE THE AURA ANOTHER MEXICAN DESIGN BUT OF 1957 IN WHICH LASCURAIN LOST HIS LIFE AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF BUILDING AIRCRAFT, NAMED THE AURA IT WAS THE MOST ADVANCED DESIGN COMING FROM THE MEXICAN AIRCRAFT INDUSTRY EVER FOR ITS TIME FRAME AND ERA, ONLY ONE WAS BUILT, IT WAS LOST IN THE ACCIDENT THAT KILLED LASCURAIN
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    Interesting to see something different (for us in the UK) on the Forum - thanks for posting.

    Presume the Aura was a small airliner - what engines did it have and how many passengers & crew?

    Roger Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPSmith View Post
    Interesting to see something different (for us in the UK) on the Forum - thanks for posting.

    Presume the Aura was a small airliner - what engines did it have and how many passengers & crew?

    Roger Smith.
    To be honest every thing is new for me too, however i know it was a 200km/h aircraft, could take 14 passengers and and few were in order, its engines were Jacovs but after the death of Angel Lascurian it was cancelled

    The Aura was the next project after the Salinas IV which you can see here.
    but this also was an aircraft after the Celia and sport also built by Angel Lascurain.

    In the picture you can see the Salinas IV wich had continental engines and flew in March 1940
    The Salinas was a design by Angel Lascurain y Osio and Gustavo Salinas Camiña, the later only as an investor
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    here is the Celia also built by Lascurain
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    Here we see the O-E-1 designed by Juan F. Azcárate in 1927 as a trainer for the FAM it was built in the TNCA`s workshops, it was used to fly around Mexico for the first time in 1928 by Gustavo León
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    Here we see the Teziutlan built by Compañía Aeronáutica Roberto Fierro, five were built as a primary trainer for the FAM in 1941, they were built at the Talleres Generales de Aviación, however as WWII was going on the FAM decided to cancel the 50 planes it ordered and instead bought american planes.
    It was designed by Antonio Sea, only five were ever built
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    here we see the BC-1 this was built by Compañía Aeronáutica de Baja California, this company was stablished by Abelardo L. Rodríguez in 1927 in Tijuana, and built the BC-1 (Baja California 1) in 1928, it was sold to the mexican air force and used in action in 1929 against of the Escobar`s rebellion.
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    Here is the BC-2 or Baja California 2, this aircraft was used to fly from Mexicalli to mexico City by Roberto Fierro in 1928 in 15 hours and a non stop flight of 2,330Km .

    Later on Roberto Fierro flew it from Mexico ciy to Habana, Cuba and Central America in 1928.

    The aircraft was highly influenced by Lindbergh`s Ryan aircraft the Spirit of St. Louis
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    Nice pictures, thanks a lot. These are informative.

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    I was about to say the view forward in the BC-1 is like that out of "The Spirit of St Louis" when I saw the picture and your comment of the BC-2.

    The Celia is a very sleek looking machine with the wings contoured into the fuselage? any views of that from another angle?

    Roger Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bager1968 View Post
    Nice pictures, thanks a lot. These are informative.
    No problem it is a pleasure, i like to share what i have recently learnt. Here we have the BC-3 it was a design used by the FAM as a VIP transport it was the first aircraft built in Mexico as a dedicated transport aircraft it could carry up to 4 passengers
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPSmith View Post
    I was about to say the view forward in the BC-1 is like that out of "The Spirit of St Louis" when I saw the picture and your comment of the BC-2.

    The Celia is a very sleek looking machine with the wings contoured into the fuselage? any views of that from another angle?

    Roger Smith.
    The BC-2 had several innovative technologies it was not built of wood but of chromium-molybdenum-steel frame tubing and had an air cooled radial engine Wright J-5C Whirlwind. The aircraft was highly influenced by Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis and was far more advanced than the TNCA`s Quetzatcoatl which was a bomber built and designed in Mexico too but built of wood and with a water cooled engine, this allowed it to fly farther and carry twice the payload of the Quetzatcoalt.

    The BC-1, BC-2 and BC-3 were built and designed in Mexico by 'Compañía Aérea de Construcciones y Transportes' or otherwise known as Compañía Aeronáutica de Baja California in Tijuana, the BC-1 had a BMW engine
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    here is the Quetzatcoatl built by TNCA and designed by Lascurain, they were built in 1923 and were used to fly from Mexico City to Ciudad Juarez in a 1800km flight. One of the pictures shows the Coahuila, this was plane used for that flight with the code 4E131.

    Only 3 were built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPSmith View Post
    I was about to say the view forward in the BC-1 is like that out of "The Spirit of St Louis" when I saw the picture and your comment of the BC-2.

    The Celia is a very sleek looking machine with the wings contoured into the fuselage? any views of that from another angle?

    Roger Smith.
    Saddly i do not have more pictures but the Celia was based upon the Sport and earlier model so you can have a rough idea how did it look here is the picture
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    Here we have another historical aircraft

    This is the MTW-1, only one was built, it was built by TNCA as a request of Francisco Sarabia, it was build to fly from Mexico City to Madrid Spain, however the flight was cancelled and never took place due to structural problems. It was built in 1934.
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    Here we have few of the aerospace products that Mexico exported and were in a way influential beyond its borders, the Anahuac propeller was an early product of Villasana`s mind, it was exported to several countries in particular to Japan, where it was copied, modified and used in the early Japanese aircraft of the 1920s and 1930s, Villasana received from the government of El Salvador recognition for his brilliant invention. The same was done by the Japanese government, through the General Nagaokoa, commander of Japan's Imperial Air Corps.
    It was designed and built in 1915 at the Talleres de la escuela de artes y oficios, its design was optimised for high altitude or the atmospheric conditions found in Mexico City
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    Here we have the Azcarate E, this aircraft was a derivative of the
    O-E-1 but in a smaller airframe, 10 were built as trainers for the FAM by Juan Azcarate in 1930.
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    Here we see a later mexican aircraft the Tonatiuh which served the mexican navy from 1982 as a two seats primary trainer and scout aircraft and was build in mexico by the IPN and Mexican navy based upon de Mexican made Barcenas B-01 agricultural airplane, it first flew on 1 June 1980 at 9:00AM at Las Bajas naval Base in Veracruz, Mexico.
    Only 8 aircraft were built it, but only 6 served in the mexican Navy, it had a max speed of 195 km/h
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    The Barcenas B-01 was an agricultural airplane build and designed in mexico by the Mexican engineer David Bárcenas Beutelspacher in the 1970s but by the 1980s its production ceased, 11 aircraft were built.
    It flew for the first time on 8 june 1978 at the Ignacio López Rayón airport in Uruapan Michoacan, Mexico
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwinopal View Post
    HERE WE SEE THE AURA ANOTHER MEXICAN DESIGN BUT OF 1957 IN WHICH LASCURAIN LOST HIS LIFE AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF BUILDING AIRCRAFT, NAMED THE AURA IT WAS THE MOST ADVANCED DESIGN COMING FROM THE MEXICAN AIRCRAFT INDUSTRY EVER FOR ITS TIME FRAME AND ERA, ONLY ONE WAS BUILT, IT WAS LOST IN THE ACCIDENT THAT KILLED LASCURAIN
    Have a look here - really quite interesting vintage footage around the Aura
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYH2PO_Duc

    Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPSmith View Post
    Interesting to see something different (for us in the UK) on the Forum - thanks for posting.
    Presume the Aura was a small airliner - what engines did it have and how many passengers & crew?
    Roger Smith.
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    Barreda Aircraft 1940s?

    Hello Kwinopal,

    I'm wondering if you have a photo of a Baluena aircraft known either as the Balbuena 20 de noviembre or possibly Balbuena Barreda which I believe may have served with the FAM in the early 1940s? Assuming my information is correct and the aircraft operated with the FAM at all.

    Regards,

    Clint

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    Quote Originally Posted by musec View Post
    Hello Kwinopal,

    I'm wondering if you have a photo of a Baluena aircraft known either as the Balbuena 20 de noviembre or possibly Balbuena Barreda which I believe may have served with the FAM in the early 1940s? Assuming my information is correct and the aircraft operated with the FAM at all.

    Regards,

    Clint
    i think this is the aircraft you are looking for it is a license built aircraft named Ares, designed by the canadian company Maple Leaf, 10 units were built in Mexico during 1940, and were equipped with the Warner Super Scarab 165 hp engine
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    Barreda Aircraft 1940s?

    Hello Kwinopal,

    Thanks for the reply and the nice photo of the Ares.Intersting to see the machine in FAM markings as Molson and Taylor's Canadian Aircraft since 1909 have photos of only Canadian registered machines.

    Actually, I believe that I am searching for a different aircraft. I saw it listed on Aldo Flores page at http://www.aztecmodels.com/fam/fam_frm0.htm

    Regards,
    Clint

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    Quote Originally Posted by musec View Post
    Hello Kwinopal,
    I'm wondering if you have a photo of a Baluena aircraft known either as the Balbuena 20 de noviembre or possibly Balbuena Barreda which I believe may have served with the FAM in the early 1940s? Assuming my information is correct and the aircraft operated with the FAM at all.
    Regards,
    Clint
    Balbuena Barreda
    They mention her here http://www.worldairforces.com/Countries/mexico/mex.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by wieesso View Post
    Have a look here - really quite interesting vintage footage around the Aura
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYH2PO_Duc

    Martin
    thanks

    Here i leave you a few BC-1 pictures, these are early pictures of the Baja california BC-1
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