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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    There are quite a few ways to detect subs from Sats , Changes in ocean temperature and water pattern in areas where sub exists , IR sensors.

    But the subject is very classified in nature and no country that has developed such capability ever spoke about it , the french it seems have similar sat based capability to detect subs
    I'm not aware of any such satellites today, in France or elsewhere. Source?

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    The new satellite will carry an AESA radar antenna and its just a modern SAR sat similar to the one they designed for China, but with a new AESA antenna. The system is called Arkon, but the sats are just military versions of Meteor-M with a radar.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYkvIhiu5Ck

    you can get a glimpse of it in this video at 5 minutes 20 seconds if you can put up with the horrible English :-)

    Rus is still a paper only project right now as far as I can tell though it looks like it may actually be built.

    Angara has been delayed 1 year thanks to budget cuts, but the first flight will be in 2012.

    http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=990
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Monkey
    Hopefully this is an indigenous development then, rather than espionage against FR/UK?
    Really? Who cares if it was product of espionage.
    ...That was some mild ironic humor given French and UK subs managed to run into each other even with this alleged capability
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    It is actually possible to occationally detect fighters taking off with afterburners, but i think detecting subs 200 meters down the water was meant as a joke
    the missile will require about five times the G capability of the target to complete a successful intercept.
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    One can detect change in temperature , water patterns in areas where sub are known to exist , using Sats to detect sub is a continue area of research and a very classified subject where almost little or no information is available.

    if one can detect an area where sub are known to exist with very high probability , then its gives a real early warning detection from space.
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    At least the false alarm rate from plancton, octopus, and a few fishes, whales etc. on various depths would create jobs in the navy, but unfortunately it's non productive work.
    the missile will require about five times the G capability of the target to complete a successful intercept.
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    S-400 news

    Russian long range ballistic missiles for S-400 Triumph surface-to-air missile systems will go into serial production in the autumn, a leading missile manufacturer said on Friday.

    Earlier media reports said the S-400 missile system was incomplete as long range ballistic missiles, among others, had not been adopted for it.

    "On December 26, 2009 the preliminary tests were finished and the missile was put forward for state tests," Kommersant daily quoted the general director of Almaz-Antei, Igor Ashurbeili, as saying.

    "In the third quarter of 2010 we should finish them, along with combat duty launches, and then put it [the missile] into serial production in the fourth quarter," he added.

    According to Ashurbeili, there were no technical failures or difficulties concerning the long range missile tests.

    "The tests of S-400 missile lasted for about 3 years...We are bewildered by the bacchanalia of rumors and slander concerning the issue as an ordinary working process is going on," he continued.

    Ashurbeili added that the situation regarding the production of missiles after 2012 is unclear as Almaz-Antei does not have "any signed contracts for 2012".

    The S-400 Triumph boasts unique characteristics. It can destroy any air target, including aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, and cruise and ballistic missiles within a range of 400 kilometers and an altitude up to 30 kilometers. The system is almost three times more efficient than its Russian and foreign counterparts.

    There are no plans so far to export the S-400. It will be produced only for the Russian Armed Forces. An additional two systems will be deployed by the end of 2010.

    MOSCOW, April 30 (RIA Novosti)

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    They were promoting the export version at MAKS 2007. What is probably means is that deliveries to the Russian forces are now taking a much higher priority - the Russian AF has called for the setting up of second production line in order to speed deliveries.

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    Test launches for :

    -the 9M96 missile (120km range) of the VITYAZ system (also used on S-300PMU2 Favorit and S-400).

    -the 48H6DM long range missile of the S-400.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwiski_xGaY

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    TOR-M2E system shooting down 4 SA-8 missiles (used as targets).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM7Iv...layer_embedded

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    Quote Originally Posted by UAZ View Post
    Test launches for :

    -the 9M96 missile (120km range) of the VITYAZ system (also used on S-300PMU2 Favorit and S-400).

    -the 48H6DM long range missile of the S-400.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwiski_xGaY
    is 48H6DM is a new missile or it's the 48N6DM ? Because 48N6DM has been in duty for a while and has range of 250km.
    I hope this is the new 400km missile

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondparttohel View Post
    is 48H6DM is a new missile or it's the 48N6DM ? Because 48N6DM has been in duty for a while and has range of 250km.
    I hope this is the new 400km missile
    48N6DM it is.

    In the Russian alphabet "H" is "N".

    I apologize for the confusion.

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    Nice Video Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    One can detect change in temperature , water patterns in areas where sub are known to exist , using Sats to detect sub is a continue area of research and a very classified subject where almost little or no information is available.

    if one can detect an area where sub are known to exist with very high probability , then its gives a real early warning detection from space.
    This sounds very much like a self licking ice cream cone. If you know where the sub is, then it should stand to reason that there's a high probability of detecting it.

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    Details emerge about new Vityaz SAM system

    The state testing of the new medium-range missile system Vityaz will be over in 2013, said Igor Ashurbeili, the general director of the Head System Design Bureau of the Almaz-Antey concern.

    The project is now at the blue-prints stage. Next year will see the emergence of a trial model, and in 2013 we are expected to end testing,” Ashurbeili said in an interview with the daily Kommersant, published on Friday.

    The Russian leadership did not see sense in designing a new and modern medium-range missile system before 2000, he said in remarks about the history of the project. Meanwhile, more than 50 S-300PS missile system will cease to exist by 2015 when their service life expires and they will have to be scrapped, he said.

    “After 2000 we defeated the U.S. and France in a tender in South Korea, and we signed an export contract, not without problems, to develop a KM-SAM medium-range missile system for South Korea. We learned to handle imported components, and we have delivered two radars already and are delivering a third to the customer. South Korea conducts range practice already with their missiles at their targets,” Ashurbeili said.

    Before shipping the system to the customer the developers invited the Defense Ministry leaders and demonstrated an operating South Korean model, after which a research and development phase was opened for the Russian armed forces. It will be a modified version with improved technical and technical characteristics, he said.

    “This work started in 2007 and is proceeding at an accelerated pace. We were set the task to make a new system available in five years, starting from scratch,” Ashurbeili said.
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    S-500 system to be called Triumphator-M

    The development of the S-500 Triumfator-M missile system, capable of performing both anti-aircraft and missile defense functions, is expected to be completed in four years, said Igor Ashurbeili, the general director of the Head System Design Bureau of the Almaz-Antey concern.

    “The task set to us under the state armaments program is to develop the Triumfator-M system. It refers to the S-500 project, the project to create a mobile missile defense system by 2015. This new system will be capable of tackling its tasks on the move and advance to any direction that comes under threat, and to any war theater critical at this particular moment,” Ashurbeili said in an interview with the daily Kommersant, published on Friday.

    The S-500 is a mobile missile defense system capable of hitting targets at a long range and high altitude. It must have the characteristics of the Moscow missile defense system, but with a mobile capability, Ashurbeili said.
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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    A relatively large supersonic missile needs to be created for the PAK-FA for anti-ship purposes.

    Supersonic Klub 3M-54E would never fit inside - perhaps 2 on the outside would allow for good enough survivability.

    I guess alternatively, the PAK-FA could use Kh-58USHKe for anti-ship purposes internally, assuming the ship is emitting OR the Su-34 could be escorted by the PAK-FA while the Su-34 is equipped with 2 - 3 heavy anti-ship missiles (it'll be necessary when Tu-22M3 starts getting phased out).

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    When is my beloved Tu-22M going to be phased out ?
    I really hate the thought of it !
    the missile will require about five times the G capability of the target to complete a successful intercept.
    -Robert L Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by obligatory View Post
    When is my beloved Tu-22M going to be phased out ?
    I really hate the thought of it !
    Me too, but around 2030 I would imagine many would be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Picture (3D rendetion) of the 'Vityaz'
    http://vpk.name/news/39213_zrk_vityaz__foto.html

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    This is from "Lightning Bolts" by William Yengest, Some snippets on the RV of Topol-M




    In the above figure solid line is for Topol-M MRV and dashed line for BM trajectory

    Careful consideration of the figures trajectory revels that powered flight follows a ballistic path and ejects MRV onto a Hypersonic-Glide path similar to BGRV trajectory . However the terminal phase of flight shows a distinct dive to low altitude and ram jet sustained low-level-run-in ( LLRI ) maneuver to the target. This is remarkable but not unexpected, maneuver designed to penetrate enemy defenses at altitudes below radar detection horizons.
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    Doubtful

    by Staff Writers
    Moscow, Russia (XNA) Jun 28, 2010
    Russia will return to its program of building the space shuttles and super-heavy carrier rockets after 2018, the Interfax news agency reported on Friday.
    New carrier rockets will have a workload over 24 tons, director of Moscow's Central Machine-building Institute, Gennady Raikunov, said during the Strong Russia business conference.

    According to Raikunov, the tests of the rocket will start in 2015 and its commercial exploitation will commence in 2018.

    Russian space engineers also are working on building the rocket capable of delivering to the orbit a workload over 100 ton per launch, he said.

    In more distant future, Raikunov's institute plans to work out a new manned spaceship and non-disposable boosters.

    Soviet space shuttle program Buran managed to make only one unmanned flight in 1988 and has been closed soon afterwards.


    Source: Source: Xinhua

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    From what I've read, Vityaz is a medium-range(40km) SAM developed using one of the S-400's missiles(9M96). Won't it overlap with the Buk-M2 currently being inducted? Or is it being developed for export?

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    BUK-M2 have command guidance/SARH mode of guidance.

    9M96 have ARH and Hit to Kill capability like Patriot-3 so there is a world of difference.
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    That said the Buk-M2/M3 are currently in the process of induction. Won't it create problems if they tried to push a replacement already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    That said the Buk-M2/M3 are currently in the process of induction. Won't it create problems if they tried to push a replacement already?
    The bulk of the electronics makes the missile expensive ( as much as 60 % ) so BUK are cheaper and cost effective alternatives and can be mass produced and have their own limitations.

    9M96 will be expensive system missile to missile system to system and has its own pluses over BUK

    So both missile can co-exist
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    RS-24 Yars missile system put on combat duty in Russia


    The Rs-24 Yars missile system has been put on combat duty, a high-ranking official in the space and rocket industry told Itar-Tass on Wednesday.

    The chief designer of the Moscow Heat Engineering Institute, which created the system, said earlier that one of the RS-24 systems had already been delivered to the Strategic Rocket Forces and put on combat duty.

    Institute Director Yuri Solomonov said, “All journalists are writing about Bulava, but are saying little about the new mobile missile system RS-24 Yars with multiple warheads that we created at the same time.”

    The Strategic Rocket Forces intended to deploy the missile system RS-24 with multiple warheads in December 2009, Commander of the Strategic Rocket Forces Lieutenant-General Andrei Shvaichenko said on October 12, 2009.

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