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    Russian Space & Missile[ News/Discussion] Part- 4

    http://pilot.strizhi.info/2009/08/23/6796#more-6796

    Test of the Tor-M2E. The task was to destroy 4 target drones with 4 missiles, the result was a success. 4 drones were destroyed with 4 missiles in 10 seconds. Pretty impressive.

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    Impressive! Nevertheless it would be nice to know if it was performed against ECM. In such a case… very impressive.

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    Russia moves Bulava missile production to alternative plant

    ULAN BATOR, August 26 (RIA Novosti) - Production of Russia's troubled Bulava ballistic missile has been moved to another manufacturer following reports of the faults in the production cycle, the chief of the Russian General Staff said Wednesday.

    The Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM), which is being developed by the Moscow-based Institute of Thermal Technology (MITT), has suffered six failures in 11 tests. The general director of the institute has resigned over the failures, seen as a setback in the development of Russia's nuclear deterrent.

    "The latest failed launch of the Bulava was caused by technical glitches in the production cycle rather than by faulty design," Gen. Nikolai Makarov told a news conference in the capital of Mongolia.

    Makarov said a final report on the causes of the previous faulty test launches would be ready soon, but the date for the next Bulava trial had not yet been scheduled.

    The general did not specify who the new manufacturer of the missile would be, but expressed hope that the Russian industry "will tackle the problems and cope with the [production] task."

    The Bulava (SS-NX-30) SLBM carries up to 10 MIRV warheads and has an estimated range of over 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles). The three-stage solid-propellant ballistic missile is designed for deployment on new Borey class nuclear-powered strategic submarines.

    The Russian military expects the Bulava, along with Topol-M land-based ballistic missiles, to become the core of Russia's nuclear triad.

    Makarov ruled out replacing the Bulava missile with the Sineva SLBM on new strategic submarines.

    The RSM-54 Sineva (NATO designation SS-N-23 Skiff) is a third-generation liquid-propellant SLBM that entered service with the Russian Navy in July 2007 to equip Delta IV class strategic submarines.

    "Sineva is an absolutely different system. [Borey class] submarines are designed to be armed with the Bulava system. If they are to be adjusted to Sineva, they will have to be rebuilt entirely, which would be a costly project," the general said.

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090826/155931180.html

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    Seems as a wise move.

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    War games

    MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) will conduct on September 8-11 large-scale command-and-staff exercises involving over 2,000 personnel, an SMF spokesman said on Monday.

    "During the exercises, the SMF will practice operations control in scenarios involving conventional and nuclear warfare," the official said.

    "A total of over 2,000 servicemen and 150 theater- and tactical-level command-and-control centers will take part in the drills," he said.

    The exercise coincides with the start of the Russian-Belarusian large-scale Zapad 2009 exercises, which will be held on September 8-29 and involve around 13,000 service personnel on both sides.

    Russia's SMF plans by 2016 to modernize its command-and-control systems in order to improve their ability to overcome missile defenses and increase the survivability of delivery vehicles.

    At present, six types of silo-based and mobile ICBM systems are on combat duty with the SMF, including the heavy Voyevoda (SS-18 Satan), capable of carrying 10 warheads, and the Topol-M (Stalin) systems.

    According to open sources, the total arsenal of Russia's SMF comprises 538 ICBMs, including 306 SS-25 Topol (Sickle) missiles and 56 SS-27 Topol-M missiles.

    Silo-based missiles constitute 45% of the total ballistic missile arsenal. They carry about 85% of nuclear warheads deployed by the SMF.

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    http://www.infox.ru/authority/defenc...vyympyel.phtml

    A new head for the Moscow Thermodynamic Institute. They develop Bulava.
    Sergey Nikulin, up till now head of KTRV/Vympel.

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    Russia set to finish development of new air defense system

    ASTRAKHAN (South Russia), September 16 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's advanced S-500 air defense system could be developed in the next few years, the Air Force commander said on Wednesday.

    The S-500 is currently at the blueprint stage at the Almaz-Antei company and is expected to be rolled out by 2012.

    "This work is in progress...I think this system will appear in the near future," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.

    The new system is expected to outperform Russia's most advanced S-400 as well as the U.S. Patriot Advanced Capability-3 system.

    The S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) is capable of intercepting and destroying airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles), and can simultaneously engage up to six targets.

    The S-500 is expected to have an extended range of up to 600 km (over 370 miles) and simultaneously engage up to 10 targets. The system will be capable of destroying hypersonic and ballistic targets.

    Zelin said Russia's Defense Ministry considers the delivery of S-400 air defense missile systems to the Russian Armed Forces a priority at present, although exports of these systems to other countries of the Commonwealth of the Independent States (CIS) could be considered.

    The general earlier said in line with a new defense model air-space defense brigades within Russia's Air Force will be established and equipped with advanced S-400 and S-500 air defense systems.

    Russia has already deployed two S-400 regiments to protect the airspace around Moscow and industrial regions in the central part of the country, and an S-400 battalion in Russia's Far East.
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    The S-500 is expected to have an extended range of up to 600 km (over 370 miles) and simultaneously engage up to 10 targets. The system will be capable of destroying hypersonic and ballistic targets.
    What will use? A sor of 40N6 on steroids or a further upgrade of the 9M82 Giant?

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    considering the range figures sm-3, given its volume, offers, i'd wager the 600 km figure will be attained mostly through further refinement of guidance/steering methods and, consequently, the flight profile.

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    considering the range figures sm-3, given its volume, offers, i'd wager the 600 km figure will be attained mostly through further refinement of guidance/steering methods and, consequently, the flight profile.
    Sure! But you will need a rocket travelling well beyond 2 km/s. To reach 1000 km with a pure ballistic path you need to reach 3 km/s. So, if you want to save some K.E for end game interception maneuvers you will need a similar speed. Anyway, 9M82M is labeled with a max speed of 2.675 km/s. Thus, I wonder if the “weapon able to repel attacks from the space” is just this missile but heavily modernized with improved propellants, new electronics and modern guidance laws.

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    It seems like a rebuild of the former soviet air-defense network… like the evil liquid metal Terminator of Terminator-II movie.

    ASTRAKHAN (South Russia), September 16 (RIA Novosti) - Several members of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) are involved in creating three joint regional air defense structures as part of the CIS integrated air defense network.

    Members of the Coordinating Committee on Air Defense under the CIS Defense Ministers' Council met in Astrakhan on Wednesday and discussed setting up East European, Caucasus,

    and Central Asian air defense networks.

    The CIS integrated air defense network was set up by 10 CIS member countries on February 10, 1995. The main purpose of the network is to secure member-states' airspace, including through early warning of missile attacks and coordination of joint efforts to neutralize potential aerial threats.

    The network currently comprises 46 units equipped with S-200 and S-300 air defense missile systems, 23 fighter units equipped with MiG-29, MiG-31 and Su-27 aircraft, 22 electronic support units and two electronic warfare detachments.

    The East European network will be set up by Russia and Belarus in line with an agreement signed in February on the joint protection of the Russia-Belarus Union State's airspace and the creation of an integrated regional air defense network.

    It will comprise five Air Force units, 10 anti-aircraft units, five technical service and support units and one electronic warfare unit, and will be placed under the command of a Russian or Belarusian Air Force or Air Defense Force senior commander.

    Belarus has several Russian-made S-300 air defense battalions on combat duty, and has long been negotiating the purchase of advanced S-400 systems from Russia, which should be available in 2010.

    The Caucasus air defense network will be set up by Russia and Armenia. The draft agreement is still in the works and needs additional negotiations to ensure "clear principles of the deployment and command of air defense forces."

    "The draft document will be ready by the end of 2009," said Col. Nikolai Babayan, chief of Armenia's Air Defense Forces.

    Unlike the East European and Central Asian commands, the airspace of the Caucasus network will not be continuous as Georgia and Azerbaijan separate Russia and Armenia.

    Maj. Gen. Okas Saparov, deputy commander of Kazakhstan's Air Defense Forces, said that a working group has been formed to discuss setting up a joint Central Asian regional air defense network, which will involve Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

    "Most of the issues dealing with drafting up an agreement [on a joint air defense network] have been resolved," Saparov said.

    Kazakhstan signed a contract with Russia in March on the purchase of S-300 air defense missile systems, while Russia operates an airbase in the city of Kant, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek.

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    Russia welcomes U.S. move to scrap missile plans for Europe

    MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) - Russia welcomes reports of a U.S. decision to abandon its missile defense plans for Central Europe, and is waiting for official confirmation on the issue, the Foreign Ministry said on Thursday.

    "We are waiting for the reports to be confirmed. Such a development would be in line with the interests of our relations with the United States," a ministry press officer told RIA Novosti.

    Russia's Vesti news channel cited Czech media earlier on Thursday as saying that President Barack Obama told Czech Premier Jan Fischer on the telephone late last night that Washington is abandoning the Bush administration's plans for an anti-missile radar in the country.

    Czech officials confirmed the telephone conversation, the reports said. Prague is expected to issue a statement on the matter later on Thursday.

    Also on Thursday, The Wall Street Journal cited sources close to the issue as saying the U.S. government will shelve plans for the radar on Czech soil, as well as an interceptor missile base in Poland. The planned anti-missile system has been fiercely opposed by Moscow.

    The Czech news agency CTK said a U.S. delegation led by Ellen Tauscher, under secretary of state for arms control and international security, will arrive in Prague for talks later today. The diplomat's visit to Prague follows a trip to Warsaw.

    The WSJ said the U.S. decision to scrap the plans are based on an assessment that Iran's long-range missile program has not progressed as rapidly as previously estimated, reducing the threat to the U.S. and Europe's major cities.

    Moscow views the planned anti-missile system as a national security threat, upsetting the strategic balance of forces.

    The paper cited current and former U.S. officials as saying that the administration is expected to leave open the option of restarting the Polish and Czech system if Iran makes advances in its long-range missiles in the future.

    The decision, a major reversal from the line aggressively pursued by the George W. Bush administration, is seen by many critics as a gesture to win Russian cooperation with U.S.-led efforts to impose new sanctions on Iran if it does not abandon its nuclear program, the paper said.

    The move is also likely to raise concerns in Europe, where officials have been alarmed by the White House's effort to "reset" ties with Moscow, the WSJ said.
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    Austin, this U.S. move is motivated for the parlous size of the U.S. budget-deficit. Don’t be too happy. The idea may still be alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo View Post
    Austin, this U.S. move is motivated for the parlous size of the U.S. budget-deficit. Don’t be too happy. The idea may still be alive.
    From what I can tell it will be replaced by more politically palletable SM-3s. They're also looking at a bigger booster for THAAD, tripling or quadrupling it's range (the booster has already been ground tested). (That would be 375 to 500 miles+ ).
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    From what I can tell it will be replaced by more politically palletable SM-3s. They're also looking at a bigger booster for THAAD, tripling or quadrupling it's range (the booster has already been ground tested). (That would be 375 to 500 miles+ ).
    Well, these are very interesting tech developments. They sound smart. Anyway, the economic side of the equation seems to weight in the decision.

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    From what I can tell it will be replaced by more politically palletable SM-3s. They're also looking at a bigger booster for THAAD, tripling or quadrupling it's range (the booster has already been ground tested). (That would be 375 to 500 miles+ ).
    Do you have more data? It seems very interesting. I'm curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo View Post
    Do you have more data? It seems very interesting. I'm curious.
    Aviation Week had an article on it a few weeks ago. Here's pretty much all I know on it boiled down. Several years ago there was an article in AvWeek with the interesting burb buried in it that said THAAD had "residual ABM capability" (as in anti-ICBM capability- also remember it was on alert in Hawaii during NK's last launch attempt) but would have useful capability there with a larger booster idea that was being kicked around. Then a few years ago a study came out who's conclusion was essentially that target speed almost didn't matter with THAAD, that if they could see the target coming early enough to get the KKV into the "basket" that it would hit the incoming missile. SM-3 has since given weight to that conclusion IMO with that satellite kill. Six weeks of software tweaking/testing was all it took to take SM-3 from testing against intermediate-range targets to hitting a target traveling FASTER than an ICBM. Moreover despite the fact that the target was tumbling they actually HIT the portion they were aiming for (the fuel tank). Jump to the article of a few weeks ago (finally ). According to it Lockheed tested a 21"diameter booster for THAAD in 2006. Not a 21" diameter addon like SM-3 but a 21" replacement booster for the 14" diameter one THAAD currently has. They also tested a 2nd stage "kicker" motor similar in concept to SM-3s 3rd stage. They estimate with the bigger 21" diameter motor range could be extended three to four times. Given that the current range (published anyway) is 125 miles that equates to 375 - 500 miles. Given that it's an exoatmospheric-capable missile presumably that would mean it's 100km altitude capability (published) would get bumped as well. Given that SM-3 Block II is also to get a substantial performance bump the two together would be. . .well I hate to say "mind boggling" but. . .DAMN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo View Post
    It seems like a rebuild of the former soviet air-defense network… like the evil liquid metal Terminator of Terminator-II movie.
    Russia's air-defence network has collapsed on a 10% level seens 91, they still have 8500-10,000 S-300PMU-2/V/VM/S-400 Missiles aimed at the sky.

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    yeah, about the only successful Russian procurement program throughout the late 90's and early 00's was for long range SAM's. S-300 were procured in brigade strength. The SAM system around Moscow is as healthy as it's ever been.

    What's suffered is space based early warning primarily, but that for missiles and not incoming planes.

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    “Only global AMD is acceptable” – Russia’s chief of staff

    Russia will only agree to a shared missile shield with the US and will not accept the implementation of any new missile project by the US, Russia's Chief of General Staff Nikolay Makarov has stated.

    The statement comes as Russian and US representatives hold consultations concerning the new strategic arms reduction agreement in Geneva.

    He added that Moscow is negative about the US intention to deploy anti-missile defense elements in the Caucasus.

    Russia believes there’s a need for a global defense system. The US, though, does not support the idea.

    “For now they do not agree on a global AMD system. We haven’t had any consultations on the issue,” General Makarov told journalists.

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    He also hinted that Moscow has not yet taken the decision to give up its plans for the deployment of Iskander missiles in the Kaliningrad region because of the US shelving its anti-missile program in Eastern Europe,

    Nikolay Makarov was speaking in Switzerland where he's part of the delegation accompanying President Medvedev on his official visit.

    Last Thursday American president Barack Obama announced Washington is dumping its plans for the anti-missile shield because of a “reassessment” of the Iranian threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS-26 View Post
    Russia's air-defence network has collapsed on a 10% level seens 91, they still have 8500-10,000 S-300PMU-2/V/VM/S-400 Missiles aimed at the sky.
    Wow, really impressive! What source do you use for 8500 S-300's?

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    Russian military leaders confirmed last week that the development of an all-new long range air defense system, dubbed S-500, is under way, and revealed some operational parameters of the future weapon.

    Air Force Commander Gen. Col. Alexander Zelin was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying that S-500 will be a completely new system, not a further development of the current S-400 Triumf SAM. He mentioned that the target detection range of the new system will be extended by 150-200 km compared to the S-400.

    According to the Almaz-Antey company, the designer of the S-400 and the future S-500, the Triumf has a detection range of 600 km, implying that the S-500 will be able to detect targets at 750-800 km. The S-500 is also expected to be able to engage 10 targets simultaneously, four more than the S-400 and the earlier S-300PM.

    Zelin said that the S-500 will be ready “in the near future”. The Russian Air Defense Forces, a part of the Air Force, have just started to receive the S-400. The first S-400 regiment was deployed near Moscow in 2007, the second one in 2008. Earlier, military officials said that the long-term program calls for the acquisition of 23 Triumf battalions by 2015.
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    Air Force Commander Gen. Col. Alexander Zelin was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying that S-500 will be a completely new system, not a further development of the current S-400 Triumf SAM. He mentioned that the target detection range of the new system will be extended by 150-200 km compared to the S-400.

    According to the Almaz-Antey company, the designer of the S-400 and the future S-500, the Triumf has a detection range of 600 km, implying that the S-500 will be able to detect targets at 750-800 km.
    May be the Gamma DE AESA or a further evolution.

    The S-500 is also expected to be able to engage 10 targets simultaneously, four more than the S-400 and the earlier S-300PM.
    Logical given the growth of computing power.

    But the big question: The interceptors??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    The S-500 is also expected to be able to engage 10 targets simultaneously, four more than the S-400 and the earlier S-300PM.
    That is surprisingly low given that Aegis has been able to do several times that for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sferrin View Post
    That is surprisingly low given that Aegis has been able to do several times that for decades.
    I think they are talking about BM targets of IRBM for S-400 and near ICBM for S-500 , so 6/10 BM targets it can target .

    What we do not know is how many missile per target , like it can be 3 or 4 missile per target for very high probability of kill.

    A lot depends on the MFCR of S-500 , if they move to AESA from the S-400 PESA radar , then it can track far more targets and attack more of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I think they are talking about BM targets of IRBM for S-400 and near ICBM for S-500 , so 6/10 BM targets it can target .
    It says "targets" period, so it could just as easily be aircaft in both instances.


    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    What we do not know is how many missile per target , like it can be 3 or 4 missile per target for very high probability of kill.
    Sounds like a tremendous waste to me to squander that many high-dollar missiles on a single target. Sure, it's still cheaper than what they're defending (funny how NOBODY seems to use that metric for determining quantities to buy) but when you're spending more money to defend than the other guy is to attack you you'll ultimately lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sferrin View Post
    It says "targets" period, so it could just as easily be aircaft in both instances.
    Logic and previous S-300 data tells me , it cant be this low ,for a system which is 2 gen ahead.

    For e.g wiki on S-300PMU says 30N6E2 can track 100 and engage 36 , so this is for non ballistic targets like aircraft and cruise missile.

    But try to do with a ballistic targets the whole dynamic changes drastically.

    So S-500 with 10 ICBM targets with high probability of kill with x number of missile just sounds ok to me.

    Sounds like a tremendous waste to me to squander that many high-dollar missiles on a single target. Sure, it's still cheaper than what they're defending (funny how NOBODY seems to use that metric for determining quantities to buy) but when you're spending more money to defend than the other guy is to attack you you'll ultimately lose.
    Very True for Missile Defence , but tell this to Pentagon
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    So S-500 with 10 ICBM targets with high probability of kill with x number of missile just sounds ok to me.
    No yet. An article from RIAN claim is able to down ballistic targets with speeds up to 6 km/s. Certainly No ICBM, … but near, i.e. a SLBM with 8.000 km range.

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    I want to see an S-300V replacement for the Russian Army. Absent that, they should commence procurement of the S-300VM / 'Antey-2500'.

    Incidentally, the Buk-M3 was supposed to appear this year, according to reports from 2007. Wonder if we'll see it.

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