Azerbaijan Air Force

[GuneyAz]

Hmm... very strange but I have found this pic too. So congratulations you have right. Thx for your attention . I will delete my pic.

Probably the other webiste is making disinformation on the internet.

This Mig-25 is from Monino.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia...t_mig25_01.jpg

[GuneyAz]

Mi-24s

[AttilaA]

[AttilaA]

Mi-24G Superhind Mk IV

G stands for "Gecə", meaning "Night".

[J-20 Hotdog]

Mi-24G Superhind Mk IV

G stands for "Gecə", meaning "Night".

Is continuing purchasing Russian equipment for Azeriland a good thing?

Russia and Azeriland have quite cordial relations, but is very clear that they favor Armenia and has bases there. If Armenia and Azeriland go to war again, will Russia still be willing to give supplies and parts to the Azeris?

Turkey on the other hand may be more willing to help Azeris, perhaps donating F-16s and F-4s..

if AzeriAF had F-4s.. the F-4 and MiG-29 combo would make the AzAF the smokiest air force in the planet :diablo:

but who knows.. Turkey under Erdogan Helicopters does things oppositely.. they're willing to work militarily with Serbia, and go against Israel their ally. Maybe Erdogan may go against Azeriland too..

[TR1]

Russia and Azerbaijan have good relationship, hell they even sold them Favorit recently. IF anything Russian relations with both nations just decrease the likelihood of conflict in the area, though I am not sure as to actual Azeri intentions in regards to Armenia.

What is curios is they ordered both Mi-35M and this hideous South African upgrade....needless fleet splitting IMO. Does the front seater have ANY visibility with that installation ?

[DrPepper]

No JF-17 Thunders just yet then? What ever happened to this order? Thought it was a done deal

[AttilaA]

I don't think there were such an order.

[AttilaA]

[AttilaA]

Not air force, but should add this.

[J-20 Hotdog]

No JF-17 Thunders just yet then? What ever happened to this order? Thought it was a done deal

yeah, you had all these media sites making claims that the JF-17 was being ordered by all these countries, Azerbaijan, Zimbabwe, etc.. none of them real. of course don't tell that to certain fanboys who believe its being bought by the entire third world.

China is generally pretty good on deliveries, if they ordered it back two or three years ago when we first heard the story, it would've been delivered already.

[J-20 Hotdog]

. IF anything Russian relations with both nations just decrease the likelihood of conflict in the area, though I am not sure as to actual Azeri intentions in regards to Armenia.

I think you do not realize that is the problem. last war, Azeriland lost land to Armenia (whether who owns it historically is a diff question). next potential war, Azeriland wants to take it back but now the problem is there's Russian bases there.

What is curios is they ordered both Mi-35M and this hideous South African upgrade....needless fleet splitting IMO. Does the front seater have ANY visibility with that installation ?

south african upgrade is a good upgrade,
here's the front view

[AttilaA]

AFAIK that is Mk 3, not Mk IV.

Mk IV cockpit has MFDs, while this is supposedly the Mk3 cockpit. http://media.photobucket.com/image/S...iscl/Hind2.jpg

[AttilaA]

TR1, how many night capable attack helis Russian is planning?

I don't think other CIS countries (of course, excluding Russia) come even close to Azerbaijan in night attack heli capabilities.

[J-20 Hotdog]

TR1, how many night capable attack helis Russian is planning?

I don't think other CIS countries (of course, excluding Russia) come even close to Azerbaijan in night attack heli capabilities.

They have this one?



they called it Kavkaz hunter

[TR1]

Apparently a lot, the current breakdown as we know it is:
97 Mi-28N through 2015, more after. Total number around 200 was floated.
Ka-52 has current contract for 30 airframes through 2012, but recently it was voiced that total numbers maybe around 120. Also, Naval Ka-52 is going to be procured.
Finally there is a current order for 22 Mi-35M.
There is also the small batch of Mi-24PN, but that program seems to be dead.

In other former Soviet countries, Azerbaijan seems to be pretty much the clear winner. They ordered what, 24 Mi-35Ms, and how many Super Hinds do they have? Aside from Russia and Azerbaijan the CIS countries rely completely on legacy Mi-24.

[J-20 Hotdog]

Apparently a lot, the current breakdown as we know it is:
97 Mi-28N through 2015, more after. Total number around 200 was floated.
Ka-52 has current contract for 30 airframes through 2012, but recently it was voiced that total numbers maybe around 120. Also, Naval Ka-52 is going to be procured.
Finally there is a current order for 22 Mi-35M.
There is also the small batch of Mi-24PN, but that program seems to be dead.

In other former Soviet countries, Azerbaijan seems to be pretty much the clear winner. They ordered what, 24 Mi-35Ms, and how many Super Hinds do they have? Aside from Russia and Azerbaijan the CIS countries rely completely on legacy Mi-24.

I still do not understand why they are going ahead with both Mi-28 and Ka-52, they may have some slight advantage and disadvantage in some areas, but its not good enough reason to justify two attack helicopters unless Russia was trying to subsidize both companies to keep them busy. Just like how the US doesn't really need both AH-1Z and AH-64

[AttilaA]

Thank you for the answer.

[TR1]

I still do not understand why they are going ahead with both Mi-28 and Ka-52, they may have some slight advantage and disadvantage in some areas, but its not good enough reason to justify two attack helicopters unless Russia was trying to subsidize both companies to keep them busy. Just like how the US doesn't really need both AH-1Z and AH-64

1.) They are both cool, don't complain.
2.) Factory production capability per year. Easier to produce both than set up another line for either chopper.
3.) Factory employment and future stability
4.) I suspected they would order a number of both and see which does better in service, I guess so much for that.
5.) I don't think the Zulu Cobra comparison is really analogous here, because the Cobra/Apache split has to do with different service branch requirements, deployment specifics, and funding.

[DrPepper]

I still do not understand why they are going ahead with both Mi-28 and Ka-52, they may have some slight advantage and disadvantage in some areas, but its not good enough reason to justify two attack helicopters unless Russia was trying to subsidize both companies to keep them busy. Just like how the US doesn't really need both AH-1Z and AH-64

You make it sound like this is a bad thing, I wish more countries would support htere industries by taking such action. I say fair play to them if that is the reason!

[J-20 Hotdog]

1.) They are both cool, don't complain.
2.) Factory production capability per year. Easier to produce both than set up another line for either chopper.
3.) Factory employment and future stability
4.) I suspected they would order a number of both and see which does better in service, I guess so much for that.
5.) I don't think the Zulu Cobra comparison is really analogous here, because the Cobra/Apache split has to do with different service branch requirements, deployment specifics, and funding.

and out of all those, only #3 sounds plausible..
but yes they are quite cool, and it'd be easier to love one than two :diablo:
but I might just have to side with the Kamov simply because I think contra rotating rotors should be the way to go for most things. All of the concepts for that new US Joint Helicopter, all use contra rotating rotors.

something worth mentioning.. why are both the HOkum and Havok so damn heavy.. they are both signifciantly heavier than the next two western heavies, the Apache Longbow and Rooivalk

[TR1]

They are bigger, have a bigger payload, and let's not even talk about armor levels.

Just look at the engine power, it is not higher randomly.

[AttilaA]

Mi-24G Superhind Mk IV

G stands for "Gecə", meaning "Night".

[mikoyan1991]

Never seen hind in a modification like this one.how is calles this variant?

[mikoyan1991]

They are bigger, have a bigger payload, and let's not even talk about armor levels.

Just look at the engine power, it is not higher randomly.

yeh,mi-28 and ka-52 carry twice the armament campared to ah-64.their armor protection is awsome.the can withstand 20 mm guns and their windshield can withstand 12,7 mm gun

[haavarla]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2lus9rs.jpg

Damn that thing looks wicked!!

[AttilaA]

First Mi-35Ms.

[AttilaA]

[Griffon39]

the next two western heavies, the Apache Longbow and Rooivalk[/I]

Completely OT, but isn't Rooivalk pretty mouch dead? Small domestic order and no sucess on the export market. And who would want to gamble with a SA helo considering the state the country is in and heading?

[MSphere]

Before the delivery, the Azeri MiG-29s were upgraded to basic standard MiG-29MU1. That includes N019M1 radar updated by Phazotron Ukraine but without the Belrussian MFD installed in the cockpit.