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    Hinds at Boscombe Down

    Hi Guys

    Just a question. Have been told by a mate, that there are 3 Hinds at Boscombe being painted up in ETPS scheme. Can anyone throw some light on this.

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    easty

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    They're 'Hips'. Two are already painted up.

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    ex Bulgarian Mi-17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
    They're 'Hips'. Two are already painted up.
    Russian aircraft in ETPS paint if anybody has any pictures please post them!
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    There is a long distance pic on this blog (scroll down below the close-up of the RAF's new DA-42 "A better photo of G-DOSA") where it says "Today at Boscombe Down G-DOSA arrived from Old Sarum..."

    http://spongthrush.blogspot.com/tikaboo/index.html

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    What is "ETPS" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by press View Post
    What is "ETPS" ?
    Empire Test Pilots School

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    Thanks TEEJ, but they look alot more like Hips to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WP840 View Post
    Thanks TEEJ, if you'd said to me only a few years ago that there would be 3 Hinds at Boscombe on permanent duties with the ETPS I'd have told you to go away and stop being so silly!
    HIP........

    Mi-8MT/Mi-17 - ASCC (or whatever they are now...??) reporting name Hip.

    The Hind is the Mi-24 gunship.

    The ETPS helicopters are Mi-8MT (or Mi-17) Hips - transport helicopters (albeit once the most heavily armed helicopter in the world )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanker_man View Post
    HIP........

    Mi-8MT/Mi-17 - ASCC (or whatever they are now...??) reporting name Hip.

    The Hind is the Mi-24 gunship.

    The ETPS helicopters are Mi-8MT (or Mi-17) Hips - transport helicopters (albeit once the most heavily armed helicopter in the world )

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    ZB697 Mi-17 Mk.1V 103M02 Ex BulAF 402
    ZB698 Mi-17 Mk.1V 103M03 Ex BulAF 403

    The more observant anoraks amongst you will no doubt have noted that these allocated serials compromise actually serials carried by a couple of Chukar D2 target drones written off in April 1981...
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    Very interesting thread, but to get back to the original post by Easty, why? Does the ETPS need experience on Russian helicopters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newforest View Post
    Very interesting thread, but to get back to the original post by Easty, why? Does the ETPS need experience on Russian helicopters?
    Inocuous: Training pilots from third world countries who will have to operate the Hind, as well as countries like Afghanistan.

    Secret Squirrel: There are rumours that British forces have been using the Hip in Afghanistan, could just be BS though.

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    I would presume that they are writing the UK pilot's notes for them for use in Afghanistan/Iraq
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    Thanks for the response chaps. I do love this forum, there is always someone that knows something!!

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    About 2years ago(or there abouts) there was a pic of a Hip in AFM said to be used by the British forces in Afghanistan in the anti-narcotics role.It was a painted grey?Anyone remember this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgnewf View Post
    Empire Test Pilots School
    Thanks. I wonder who is training the britts to fly them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WP840 View Post
    Thanks TEEJ, but they look alot more like Hips to me!
    Correct, Hip. I posted knowing the identity as Jackonicko had already corrected the original poster. There used to be some images of the UK ones operated in Afghanistan, but they no longer exist on the forum where they were posted.

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    Are we sure that they are being operated by ETPS? Is it not more strictly correct to say that QinetiQ is the operator?
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    It would certainly be more accurate to describe that as the scheme applied to QinetiQ aircraft.

    I would suspect that they will be used by Handling Squadron if pilots' notes need to be written/compiled, and by the RWTS (or whatever it's called this week) for any MAR/EOC work.

    I have no reason beyond instinct to say so, but I suspect that the reports that they will be used by ETPS, and for training foreign nation pilots is deliberate disinformation, and that the aircraft are in the UK to get clearances required for UK-based operation - either training to support in-theatre use of Mi-17s or to support any QinetiQ efforts in support of NATO efforts to upgrade East European Mi-17s to allow their use in Afghanistan. I'd suggest that the application of QinetiQ colours would suggest that the latter option is most likely.

    see:

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...O%20Helo%20Gap

    MAR = Military Aircraft Release
    EOC = Emergency Operational Clearance

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    The Hind is pretty menacing when it pulls right up behind a c-130 flying at its cruise speed. The mac guys used to get a taste of that when they flew training missions over b.f. Georgia in the grand ole USA. It really used to wake them up; who would have thought that a gunship could catch them.

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    BulAF Mi-17 403

    Quote Originally Posted by zoot horn rollo View Post
    ZB697 Mi-17 Mk.1V 103M02 Ex BulAF 402
    ZB698 Mi-17 Mk.1V 103M03 Ex BulAF 403

    The more observant anoraks amongst you will no doubt have noted that these allocated serials compromise actually serials carried by a couple of Chukar D2 target drones written off in April 1981...
    Here a picture of the BulAF Mi-17 403 in better days (during NATO/PfP exercise Co-operative Key 2001 in Bulgaria).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoot horn rollo View Post
    ZB697 Mi-17 Mk.1V 103M02 Ex BulAF 402
    ZB698 Mi-17 Mk.1V 103M03 Ex BulAF 403

    The more observant anoraks amongst you will no doubt have noted that these allocated serials compromise actually serials carried by a couple of Chukar D2 target drones written off in April 1981...
    I have been hearing on the grapevine (friend whose friend knows a Boscombe engineer) that these are actually ex Iraqi Hips not ex BulAF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WP840 View Post
    I have been hearing on the grapevine (friend whose friend knows a Boscombe engineer) that these are actually ex Iraqi Hips not ex BulAF.


    Except that there was a picture taken on Bulgaria of one of them before delivery. They were painted in Raspberry Ripple before delivery. Of course, the Bulgarians could have refurbished ex-Iraqi ones.

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    and except that we know their previous identities!

    ZB697 Mil Mi-17 Mk.1V (manufacturer’s serial number 103M02) - Ex Bulgarian Air Force serial 402
    ZB698 Mil Mi-17 Mk.1V (manufacturer’s serial number 103M03) - Ex Bulgarian Air Force serial 403

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    Like I said it was heard on the grapevine so I myself had doubts too, although it sounded quite feasible I didn't think we'd imported any ex-Iraqi aircraft after GW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    There has been a Press Release made and as a Journo I am sure that you have read it. The Press Release was precise and truthful, and believe me, if there was any variation on that, I would know.
    Any link to that Relase Omega?

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    Can't find anything on the QinetiQ website
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