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    Good old times...Yugoslav Air force early jet age

    T-33s,F-86Ds,F-84s,Mig-21 F-13s,452M experiemental airplane from 1953...

    Ah those were the good old times

    The photo of F-86D in the woods has always been my favourite and i am determiined to make a model of the same scene
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    Smile

    a fine set of photos there...its strange to see F-86s in them markings....so what is the serbian airforce current order of battle...do the navy still operate the ka-25 hormone.....

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    No one knows exactly the current order of battle but Ka-25 Hormone's are not in service anymore. Here is a photo of one of them i took some time ago at the museum next to Belgrade Airport.
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    I like the Mig 21 F-13 on display inside the Museam it looks really nice.

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    More of the early 50s and 60s jets.

    452,Zolja,Matica,J-451 Strsljen, Strsljen II, Galeb G-1,Galeb G-2,Jasterb J-1, Galeb G-4 and Galeb G-4
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    Nice....any info of those twin engined jets ...what size they were, and what sort of engines did they use?
    God wanted to create world and figured out that it would take ten days
    ...Gollevainen gave him six...

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    i thought G-2 was 60s and G-4 wasent.

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    Here is a picture of the S-451M Matica, the first Yugoslav jet aircraft. It was powered by two Turbomeca Palas engines. Then they built the J-451MM (J = jurisnik) which was a single seat CAS aircraft. It had two Turbomeca Marbord II engines, top speed of 800 km/h, service ceiling of 12,000 m, range of 760 kms, length of 8.05 m, and take off mass of 2435 kg. A small number of prototypes of each plane (< 5) were built, flown by the VOC (test center) for a few years, then retired. My favorite is the P-453 with W-shaped wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollevainen
    Nice....any info of those twin engined jets ...what size they were, and what sort of engines did they use?
    Ikarus 451 Strsljen

    Engines : Turbomeca Palas 056 A each with 147 daN (150 kp)
    Armament : One Hispano Suiza 404A cannon under the fuselage (20mm) and 6 RS rockets (6,8kg)
    Wingspan: 6,775m ,lenght:7,45m,height:2,32 m,wings SA:8m^2
    Weight: 897,2kg (empty),max. takeoff weight 1350kg

    Ikarus 451 Strsljen II

    Engines : Turbomeca Marbore II each with 392 daN (400 kp)
    Armament : two fuselage mounted Hispano Suiza Mk2 cannons (20mm) and 4x60mm rockets
    Wingspan: 7,70m ,lenght:7,77m,height:2,32 m,wings SA:10,50m^2
    Weight:1846 kg (empty),max. takeoff weight 2936kg

    This is all i could dig up so far.My airplane books arent with me at a time
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    Last edited by djnik; 14th April 2006 at 14:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobo
    This airplane never flew right?

    Its wings bare resemblance to Fw-190 W18 test aircraft.

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    It did fly. A single prototype was built in 1952, tested for a few years, then retired. Here it is flying:




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    Oh,amazing.I saw that wind tunnel model in the museum,but i didnt know that the prototype was actually made and that in flew. Unfortenutely it seems that it wasnt preserved,like many others.It would have been such a highlight.

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    Anyone else notice it is actually a GLIDER? It has no engine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapedani
    Anyone else notice it is actually a GLIDER? It has no engine...
    It indeed seems so.Most probably used only to test the aerodynamics properties of that wing form. I guess the next prototype would have had some kind of a jet engine(s),much like Horten Ho IX V1 (glider) and Ho IX V2 (jet powered).

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    Old is gold

    Part I
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    Old is gold

    Part II
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    Old is gold

    Part III

    If anyone has questions about a certain photo(s) feel free to ask.

    P.S:On the last photo of Mig-21,are those AS-1 Kerry air to ground missiles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djnik
    P.S:On the last photo of Mig-21,are those AS-1 Kerry air to ground missiles?
    I think it's AA-1 ALKALI




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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk75
    I think it's AA-1 ALKALI



    Ah yes! Thank you

    It seems indeed it is AA-1. I guess that Mig-21 was one of the first batch,as they switched to AA-2s soon. I would consider AA-1 to be rather ineffective,as it was the first generation missile.Well, AA-2 wasnt any better either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobo


    Here is a picture of the S-451M Matica, the first Yugoslav jet aircraft. It was powered by two Turbomeca Palas engines. Then they built the J-451MM (J = jurisnik) which was a single seat CAS aircraft. It had two Turbomeca Marbord II engines, top speed of 800 km/h, service ceiling of 12,000 m, range of 760 kms, length of 8.05 m, and take off mass of 2435 kg. A small number of prototypes of each plane (< 5) were built, flown by the VOC (test center) for a few years, then retired. My favorite is the P-453 with W-shaped wings.
    Same airplane today
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    nice pics indeed...How about some helicopters and transport planes (not exactly jets thougth, but...)??
    God wanted to create world and figured out that it would take ten days
    ...Gollevainen gave him six...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollevainen
    nice pics indeed...How about some helicopters and transport planes (not exactly jets thougth, but...)??
    Well i guess we could open a new thread.What time periods did you have specifically in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djnik
    Well i guess we could open a new thread.What time periods did you have specifically in mind?
    Hello,

    Some more old MiG-21 pictures should be nice !
    And what about export Galebs, Jasterbs and Super Galebs?


    Rgd,
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    I'll see what i can find,but it will have to wait for tomorrow...

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    Well i guess we could open a new thread.What time periods did you have specifically in mind?
    mainly stuff that was retired before the dissolution...Mi-4s, Whirlwinds, Dc-6s, Il-18s...
    God wanted to create world and figured out that it would take ten days
    ...Gollevainen gave him six...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollevainen
    mainly stuff that was retired before the dissolution...Mi-4s, Whirlwinds, Dc-6s, Il-18s...
    I will work on gathering the info and photos and we can open a new thread.You can also help me and when you are ready you can send me a message!

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    Couple of photos of T-33 trainers and target towers.

    Also Mig-21 UM in the early 1980s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djnik
    Couple of photos of T-33 trainers and target towers.

    Also Mig-21 UM in the early 1980s.
    It is a MiG-21U-600

    Rgd,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijmeijer
    It is a MiG-21U-600

    Rgd,
    Jeroen
    Whats the difference between U-600 and UM?

    Thanks for the correction

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