China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9

[edisonone]

Yes ... "cool" pix !! But why do You post a picture of the ne British carrier in the Chinese New's Tread ????

Deino

Is it British? Well... guess my eyes have betrayed me...

Anyway, I thought it was a Japanese artist's impession by the looks of the
markings in the wings of those aircrafts (looked more like Japan's spat of red rather than the
red white and blues of the UK). My sincerest of apologies people - honest.

And why a Chinese thread? And why not a Chinese thread?! After all,
Chinese threads have been well known for CG works of arts and of photoshops
and - photoshopped works of arts comes in many shapes, forms, sizes, and, it comes not only in
the color of Chinese red -- it comes in all of the colors of the rainbow .

I mean you of all people should understand the phyche's of it Deino :diablo:



I wonder if Japanese red hurts this fella's eyes as it does Chinese red.

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[GoldenDragon]

Eh?

There is no reason to play coy, bro. Chacko already knows that you're one of us.

[SOC]

There is no reason to play coy, bro. Chacko already knows that you're one of us.

Nice try, I just call it as I see it. As far as "one of us", my Irish ancestors would have to, respectfully, disagree

[Hyperwarp]

Another You-Bee-Kay shot.......

PS: Anyone watched Stargate-SG1 episode 9-15 'Ethon'?? Maaan, it was sad!

PPS: 2 of my teeth are killing me.........

[edisonone]

Picked up from
the pages of China.com but clearly source
says Tom.com:

So far, no one has dropped
this one here yet so what the heck! But, cool
nonetheless. Don't you agree?



Speculative impression of Super-10?

Suggestions?


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[Hell King]

That appeared a couple of moths ago I think. That's one in a series. Great artwork.

[edisonone]

That appeared a couple of moths ago I think. That's one in a series. Great artwork.

Artworks:

I'm glad that people here are finally starting to get use
to the idea that artwork is artwork regardless if it's Chinese or if whatever
and that it should be respected and not be singled out or criticised as pathetic
photoshops. Or I hope that this is finally the case anyhow.

I mean where will the world be today if it weren't
for the creative imaginations of artist's who implants their ideas and
creations in our heads and in society as a whole?

We'd still be naked cave dwellers,
Saber Tooth, Mammoth, Bengal Tiger & Panda hunters and
gatherers if that were the case...


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[SOC]

Artwork is one thing. Trying to pass off a photoshopped image as authentic is another. It's bad enough that people see fit to edit and blur images to begin with.

[challenge]

some question about the KJ-2000 radar.
I been reading in the Chinese website,claim that KJ2000 uses locally design AESA,but according to january 2006 issue of kanwa,Vega-NIIR chief designer A-50E radar system claim that they have sold main AWACS transmitter to china,and they believe KJ-2000 uses Vega transmitter.this could implied KJ2000 adapted PESA radar system.
MT artilce about airborne radar system claim that AESA has wider search angle (80+dgree) compare to 70 degree for PESA,that's why wedgetail AWACS,MC-10 and Swedish Eyrin radar use just 2 radar antenna sufficicent to cover 360 degree,by contrast KJ-2000 with passivarray antenna has to use 3 antenna to provide 360 dg. coverage.

[Stealth Spy]

Pakistani JF-17's are getting avionics from the UK

LONDON, Feb 7: Senior defence officials of Pakistan and the United Kingdom will be meeting here this week to explore avenues for closer cooperation in the defence field, Dawn has learnt.

When contacted, Pakistan’s High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, Dr Maleeha Lodhi, said the high commission would also be participating in the meeting.

In response to a question about Pakistan’s defence purchases from the UK, she said at the moment there were no ‘big ticket’ items involved, other than an avionics package for JF-17.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/02/08/top6.htm

I cant help thinking/speculating if the Pakistani FC-1 (a.k.a JF-Thundar) will get the UK's Selex Vixen 500E AESA radar, which is being marketed for light fighters around the world for light fighters (alredy offered for the LCA and the T-50's fighter/attack variant) may find its way into -17's

[Hell King]

Artwork is one thing. Trying to pass off a photoshopped image as authentic is another. It's bad enough that people see fit to edit and blur images to begin with.

So what does it matter. If it's not real then its not real. It's no different when the Pentagon lies about something like the Patriot being effective and I doubt the latest system is any better in battlefield conditions. The world is given a show of the US ballistic missile defense but even American experts say it's set up in the most favorable of conditions. There's no difference except who's side you favor. If someoone believes it, what do you care? It's not like if they wish it hard enough, it'll come true.

But then edisonone has a point. It does start from one's imagination. How many Americans scientists and engineers were inspire from watching science fiction on TV and the movies? Then I can understand why such the negativity over PS/ artwork. Gotta stifle the future of the enemy. But then that's so Orwellian thought police.

[Victor]

Gotta stifle the future. . .

The Chinese accomplished that very well on themselves, no need for anyone else on that account.

[Hell King]

Artworks:

I'm glad that people here are finally starting to get use
to the idea that artwork is artwork regardless if it's Chinese or if whatever
and that it should be respected and not be singled out or criticised as pathetic
photoshops. Or I hope that this is finally the case anyhow.

I mean where will the world be today if it weren't
for the creative imaginations of artist's who implants their ideas and
creations in our heads and in society as a whole?

We'd still be naked cave dwellers,
Saber Tooth, Mammoth, Bengal Tiger & Panda hunters and
gatherers if that were the case...


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I agree with you. Great artwork coming out of China?... Well at least from someone from that part of the world. Aside from the military aspect of this, all these works seen on the internet shows a lot of talent. I bet we're not far from seeing special effects for Hollywood movies being outsourced.

[Hell King]

The Chinese accomplished that very well on themselves, no need for anyone else on that account.

It that why there's all this fear of China especially from someone like you. Why all the paranoia over China then? Why all the insecurity?

And aren't you Indian? You shouldn't talk! :diablo:

[Victor]

It would be impolite of me to not remind you that it is the CCP that insists on limiting information to its own people. But I digress, you may return to your world where everyone is out to limit the power of the Chinese because everyone is paranoid of it...

[Hell King]

If there were no paranoia then why all the anger over China's modernization program? So what if China builds a carrier and yet the "mighty" seem to be alarmed by it. That says more than the false bravado.

What does limiting information have to do with capability? The PLA isn't limiting info to themselves. Pointless points that mean nothing.

[Victor]

I can retort, if there is no paranoia, why does the CCP/govt put limit on the kind of information that its citizens can access?

[SOC]

So what does it matter. If it's not real then its not real. It's no different when the Pentagon lies about something like the Patriot being effective and I doubt the latest system is any better in battlefield conditions.

Congratulations, you have completely missed my point. I have no problems with the CG artwork that is often presented here. The problem is when actual doctored images are trying to be passed off as the real item.

The world is given a show of the US ballistic missile defense but even American experts say it's set up in the most favorable of conditions. There's no difference except who's side you favor. If someoone believes it, what do you care? It's not like if they wish it hard enough, it'll come true.

What does this have to do with photoshopping a J-10 to show an IFR probe, for example?

But then edisonone has a point. It does start from one's imagination. How many Americans scientists and engineers were inspire from watching science fiction on TV and the movies? Then I can understand why such the negativity over PS/ artwork.

I don't follow. Is this some attempt to suggest that the West believes that it has sole claim to creativity?

Gotta stifle the future of the enemy. But then that's so Orwellian thought police.

I thought the Cultural "Revolution" was over.

[Hell King]

Congratulations, you have completely missed my point. I have no problems with the CG artwork that is often presented here. The problem is when actual doctored images are trying to be passed off as the real item.



What does this have to do with photoshopping a J-10 to show an IFR probe, for example?



I don't follow. Is this some attempt to suggest that the West believes that it has sole claim to creativity?



I thought the Cultural "Revolution" was over.

Then explain please why you have a problem when virtually everyone doesn't take PS images seriously. A lot is obvious. So why do you have a problem when everyone knows they're fake? So there's a fake IFR probe. Is that like throwing in the face of who?

If you want to look at historical racism, yes there are many who believe non-whites don't have creativity.

Well apparently the cultural revolution isn't over in the US.

[SOC]

Then explain please why you have a problem when virtually everyone doesn't take PS images seriously. A lot is obvious. So why do you have a problem when everyone knows they're fake? So there's a fake IFR probe. Is that like throwing in the face of who?

The problem is with those who do take it seriously...like when they jump all over you merely for pointing out that an image is PSed and not genuine. Ask edisonone, he knows all about that. The issue is not to throw it in the face of anyone, but to determine which images are real, and which aren't. It's that simple. If I'm looking at a J-10 image, I want to know if it's real or not before I go looking to see if there's a different antenna fit here, or a different access panel there...CG artwork are a whole different topic and are not remotely related to what I'm talking about. Much respect to the talented CG artists whos work is often featured here.

If you want to look at historical racism, yes there are many who believe non-whites don't have creativity.

And they'd be pretty freaking stupid for believing something so ludicrous.

Well apparently the cultural revolution isn't over in the US.

We never had one in the first place.

[Hell King]

The problem is with those who do take it seriously...like when they jump all over you merely for pointing out that an image is PSed and not genuine. Ask edisonone, he knows all about that. The issue is not to throw it in the face of anyone, but to determine which images are real, and which aren't. It's that simple. If I'm looking at a J-10 image, I want to know if it's real or not before I go looking to see if there's a different antenna fit here, or a different access panel there...CG artwork are a whole different topic and are not remotely related to what I'm talking about. Much respect to the talented CG artists whos work is often featured here.



And they'd be pretty freaking stupid for believing something so ludicrous.



We never had one in the first place.

Yeah, people do debate but I wouldn't say "jump all over you." I seen more people blow up when you question countries like India or even the US. People didn't like it when there was that discussion about the Seersucker that hit Kuwait City. The pro-America side attacked anyone who dared to question about possible flaws in US detection systems making up absurd excuses.

There's a clear bias here because when one questions the US, it will always turn into insults and racism. You never see those people accused of flaming or trolling.

According to FOX News there's a culture war going on. I just don't think people know which side of the culture war they're on.

[SOC]

There's a clear bias here because when one questions the US, it will always turn into insults and racism.

We get just as many insults and racism in anything relating to India, Pakistan, Russia, Serbia, Albania, or China.

[edisonone]

Artwork is one thing. Trying to pass off a
photoshopped image as authentic is another. It's bad enough that people see
fit to edit and blur images to begin with.

Facts, or fiction ?



Well... I'm not going to say
one way or the other. But, we'll know soon
enough of course. Won't we?


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[edisonone]

So what does it matter. If it's not real then its not real

Yeah... BIG DEAL isn't it ? I mean, it's almost
as if someone had commited a crime here for clicking pics here
and for being an A/C enthusiats for Asian stuff...

But then edisonone has a point. It does start from
one's imagination. How many Americans scientists and engineers were inspire
from watching science fiction on TV and the movies?

Thanks, friend! I needed that extra ammo . And, talking
about inspirations, here how I think it all began for the J-10 to clear the
air here over its Lavi connections for once and for all times:

My theory as to how it really came about:

They (Chinese) needed something sharp and they needed something
"first class" and, the handsome EF-2000, my opinion, were the thing that did
it for them. I mean if I were one of the designers at Chengdu, Xian, or wherever, I'd go after
the EF-2000 design (to replicate it) anytime over an F-16 clone (Lavi).

IMHO, the canards, plus the rectangular intakes; "minus
one engine for fuel econmy of course"; are the telltale signs that it's the EF-
2000 -- and not the Lavi -- that had inspired the J-10.

"The Chinese population, including those in the field of aeronautics,
engineers designers and such, have ready access to western aviation
magazines such as AFM, Air International, Jane's, etc., and the shock and awes of awesome
western 4th generation fighters fired up their imaginations hugely."

JH-7 verses the Tornado for instance; and the Mirage-2000 was
of course a huge inspiration on the Chinese aviation industry in the 60's.
There were plenty rumors back then of replicating L'Mirage-2000.

Yes pics inspires us. And AFM inspires all of us!

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[edisonone]

Yeah, people do debate but...

King, I'd be extremely carefull if I were you . OC has
the power so to speak though he rarely makes use of it. So don't
be too hard on him. He is after all a great guy. Honest.

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[plawolf]

some question about the KJ-2000 radar.
I been reading in the Chinese website,claim that KJ2000 uses locally design AESA,but according to january 2006 issue of kanwa,Vega-NIIR chief designer A-50E radar system claim that they have sold main AWACS transmitter to china,and they believe KJ-2000 uses Vega transmitter.this could implied KJ2000 adapted PESA radar system.
MT artilce about airborne radar system claim that AESA has wider search angle (80+dgree) compare to 70 degree for PESA,that's why wedgetail AWACS,MC-10 and Swedish Eyrin radar use just 2 radar antenna sufficicent to cover 360 degree,by contrast KJ-2000 with passivarray antenna has to use 3 antenna to provide 360 dg. coverage.

do you have a link to this claim of Vega emmitter sale?

as for the 'balance beam' v 'dish' radar arrangement, well clearly the 'balance beam' design has huge blind spots in the front and rear hemispheres whereas a triangle arrangement does not.

cost, its as simple as that. three radar sets cost more then two, and would be heavier to boot (hence the need for a bigger ac to carry it). generally, the likes of Eyrin are considered a class below the likes of the much heavier and larger A50Es, E2s, KJ2000 etc (which carry much larger and more powerful radar sets).

[Route Pack Six]

Thanks, friend! I needed that extra ammo . And, talking
about inspirations, here how I think it all began for the J-10 to clear the
air here over its Lavi connections for once and for all times:

My theory as to how it really came about:

They (Chinese) needed something sharp and they needed something
"first class" and, the handsome EF-2000, my opinion, were the thing that did
it for them. I mean if I were one of the designers at Chengdu, Xian, or wherever, I'd go after
the EF-2000 design (to replicate it) anytime over an F-16 clone (Lavi).

IMHO, the canards, plus the rectangular intakes; "minus
one engine for fuel econmy of course"; are the telltale signs that it's the EF-
2000 -- and not the Lavi -- that had inspired the J-10.

"The Chinese population, including those in the field of aeronautics,
engineers designers and such, have ready access to western aviation
magazines such as AFM, Air International, Jane's, etc., and the shock and awes of awesome
western 4th generation fighters fired up their imaginations hugely."

JH-7 verses the Tornado for instance; and the Mirage-2000 was
of course a huge inspiration on the Chinese aviation industry in the 60's.
There were plenty rumors back then of replicating L'Mirage-2000.

Yes pics inspires us. And AFM inspires all of us!

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I've noticed in aircraft design that something similar to convergent evolution in nature takes place in aeronautics- sometimes the solutions to the same problems aren't all that diverse and that results in aircraft that look similar. For instance, a chin intake would be dictated by good high-Alpha characteristics, the canards would be dictated by the need to offload the delta wing and improve maneuverability.

[GoldenDragon]

Without doubt the Chinese language forums have the best CG artists on the web and most of those pictures were NOT done for the English-speaking audience.

I'm one of the few who model for the English speaking web but I'm nothing in comparison to the likes of Songbird, Stinger and CJX5537.

[jamqur]

@GoldenDragon

Excellent job man . looks very nice and crisp . keep it up


Long Live Pak-China Friendship

[Hell King]

King, I'd be extremely carefull if I were you . OC has
the power so to speak though he rarely makes uses it. So don't
be too hard on him. He is after all a great guy. Honest.

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Yeah, I prefer civil conversation but anything military tends to get heated especially when it comes to international relations. So I won't go there unless the other guy has gone there already and is getting away with it. As for SOC, I guess he's better than other moderators I've come across. I know one guy who got banned in another forum because he didn't yield on a debate with a mod about logistics. Not about world current events or religion that tends to get heated, but simply logistics.