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    Map Folding

    The new East England 1:250000 map was delivered to me yesterday*, rolled not folded, and I wondered what views people had about the 'correct' way to fold their maps.

    Were you taught to fold it laterally into thirds and concertina across?

    *With thanks to the wonderful Transair subscription system

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    Last edited by A225HVY; 12th June 2005 at 09:06.

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    The correct way to fold it is concertina. But really you can fold it anyway you want, but concertina is supposed to be the best way to fold it if you dont want to damage it.
    Last edited by NewYorkTaxi; 12th June 2005 at 12:31.

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    Thanks A225HVY. The links are great. Any instruction that includes going to the pub is OK by me!

    Another method I have been shown by a hugely-experience military instructor is:
    ~ open the map to the full
    ~ fold back any part of the map which is not in your route, so you only have your route showing
    ~ fold that to a convenient size for the cockpit
    ~ Don't be afraid to create diagonal folds.

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    I just open mine out fully, and fold it so my route is showing but making sure I include the closest VORs North, South, East & West incase I need a position fix, and like you said up there Janie just ensuring it's a nice size to manage in the cockpit.

    Dean

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    Quote Originally Posted by A225HVY
    I always use this method.....

    http://www.rochesterairport.flyer.co.uk/chartfld.htm

    or this one

    A225HVY
    Yes, that's the famous Duncan McKillop fold. Great bloke, was a student at Wellesbourne just a little after me and devised a method of folding a chart that makes it simple to access any portion of it, even in a cramped cabin.

    Never use anything else.

    Moggy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janie
    The new East England 1:250000 map was delivered to me yesterday
    Hi Janie,

    Why the quarter mill rather than the half?

    Moggy
    "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moggy C
    Hi Janie,

    Why the quarter mill rather than the half?

    Moggy

    I prefer the 1/4mil ISO 1/2mil for local area flying longer distance revert back to 1/2mil!!

    A225HVY

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    I use the half mil. Usually fold it in half laterally, with the map facing outside on both sides, and then concertina fold. This way it's easy to store, and has some standard folds in it, which I then use as guidelines when I fold it for whatever flight I'm making.

    When I'm folding for a flight, I use a variation of what Janie's ex-mil instructor friend uses. I open up one concertina so that I'm seeing two widths (reversing the folds if necessary), then I'll fold back the top and bottom, tucking one into the other at the back and securing with a couple of bulldog clips. I then end up with a map that's flat, A4 sized, solid enought to stuff down the side of my seat, and has my entire route shown on it.

    For local area flying, I also have an obsolete copy of the half mil chart cut to size with Cambridge at it's centre, in a clear plastic wallet together with a sick bag and a copy of my pre-flight briefing - this is purely for passenger use, and I find the map copy really does help my passengers feel as though they are part of the flight.

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    They key to folding is this. **Leave a gap** Do not make your folds exactly 50% otherwise everything then bunches up.

    I fold in quarters.

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    I always start my maps with the very best of intentions, to cherish and protect them for all time.

    Then they end up getting borrowed to make (for instance) an impromtu cockpit cover for a Tiger Moth parked out in a monsoon, or to wrap up some airfield-fresh mushrooms, or repelling aggressive insects, and sometimes for looking at, to see where I have been.

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    I was looking at my quarter-mil yesterday morning, and thought 'ooh, it'll be time for a new one then' ... when the postman knocked on the door and delivered it!

    So they'll supply them rolled as well. Coo. They've always sent mine folded, but I much prefer them rolled. I'll have to give them a call.

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    Hello,

    Well... sounds strange (stupid?) but I did not know there were recognised/proper methods to fold charts. Thanks for the links. I happen to have done more or less the same as the first one, except that I do refold the chart for certain flights some times... But I make sure I do that at home and never in the cockpit.
    Steph

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkTaxi
    The correct way to fold it is concertina. But really you can fold it anyway you want, but concertina is supposed to be the best way to fold it if you dont want to damage it.
    How would you know, may i ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by concordesst
    How would you know, may i ask?
    I worked with MOD mapping and this was taught as the "correct" method! However with a "free" supply, some tend to cut out the piece required ! !
    pb::

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janie
    Another method I have been shown by a hugely-experience military instructor is:
    ~ open the map to the full
    ~ fold back any part of the map which is not in your route, so you only have your route showing
    ~ fold that to a convenient size for the cockpit
    ~ Don't be afraid to create diagonal folds.
    Janie,

    That preference is because you and I pay for his maps as taxpayers. You would cry at the sight of wastepaper baskets in RAF Operations flight planning facilities. Sheer extravagent vandalism IMHO.......!!!!!

    Cheers,

    Trapper 69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moggy C
    Why the quarter mill rather than the half?
    Because I love to navigate, so the more detail I have the better. I didn't like them the first time I used them, but was then forced to use one from Cranfield to Culdrose - that gave me plenty of time to fall in love with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRobin
    They key to folding is this. **Leave a gap** Do not make your folds exactly 50% otherwise everything then bunches up.
    Here, here.

    Propstrike: I quit chrerishing my maps a long time ago. It's just not practical, as you already have worked out. I love your alternate uses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steph
    But I make sure I do that at home and never in the cockpit.
    I'm sure a diversion, one day, will put paid to that!

    Trapper: The best thing I ever saw my tax money spent on was when the Tornado Display ground crew at Biggin Hill '95 decided they would all buy Viking helmets complete with long blond plaits. That was quality entertainment. The CO disagreed!

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    Janie,
    You may not have met all my alter ego relatives on the airshow circuit yet such as Sheik Yasser Verifat RJAF retd, Captain Wyatt Werp USN retd, Colonel Ivor Bolokov SovAF retd and Major Ritter von Shiessenhausen ex-Luftwaffe. All trumped by the thought of the Tornado crew in Viking helmets; presumably modified Alpha Mark 4's in order to provide standard RAF electrics for the radios....!!!
    Cheers,
    Trapper 69
    I can well imagine the squadron CO having a sense of humour failure - shame really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skybolt
    Janie: You may not have met all my alter ego relatives ...
    Oh yes I have! I do hope some are still alive and perhaps there may be more to follow.
    Which one of your relatives was it that flew off in the Tiger Moth without his instructor. I did enjoy that.

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    They all did at one time or another however it is difficult these days to get hold of a Tiger for the routine. All the previously available machines are busy doing "trial leesons...??" and are on transport category CofA's. Ah well. The last one I flew the act in was one of Classic Wings Tiger's at a Duxford show however Trevor B*****r was last seen taking his umpteenth valium and hiding under one of his Rapides so that seems to have put the schackles on. Our Skybolt would be absolutely lethal for the routine having a much higher stalling speed coupled with far less benign low speed handling which is the essence of the act. Perhaps I should transfer my allegiance to a Cub since that type is another classic well suited to the routine. Jeanne, are you listening...........????
    Cheers,
    Trapper 69
    PS - Post 9/11 I deemed it best to retire Yasser especially when wearing the Arab gear particularly if performing at any USAF venue. Their sense of humour was always a bit lacking and my own a little bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skybolt
    Janie,
    You may not have met all my alter ego relatives on the airshow circuit yet such as Sheik Yasser Verifat RJAF retd, Captain Wyatt Werp USN retd, Colonel Ivor Bolokov SovAF retd and Major Ritter von Shiessenhausen ex-Luftwaffe. All trumped by the thought of the Tornado crew in Viking helmets; presumably modified Alpha Mark 4's in order to provide standard RAF electrics for the radios....!!!
    Cheers,
    Trapper 69
    I can well imagine the squadron CO having a sense of humour failure - shame really.
    A little OT but in a similar vein, what happened to Stanley Ward who used to do "crazy flying" routines in Austers (at Seething airshows quite often)?
    I like being grey - it means I can worry without it showing!

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    I last saw Stan at a Raydon Wings airshow around five years ago. He was in good form but I think he had then ceased flying P1 due to lack of a medical. However he might well be back in harness now. No doubt someone on the forum from deepest Suffolk will be able to confirm or deny. Monewdon was Stan's main base for many years after the closure of Ipswich.

    A magic man who completed my own assistant instructor course on a McAully Group Tiger Moth back in 1960 when he was CFI at the East Anglian Flying Club.

    His crazy flying routine in an Autocrat or an Auster 5 was legendary using a fabulous disguise of a French onion seller on his bike with a highly disreputable flashers mac and a Breton beret. I have never seen anyone fly an Auster so appallingly yet with supreme skill. A fantastic total aviation person indeed. They do not make them like that anymore.

    Cheers,

    Trapper 69

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