China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 6

**Showtime 100** · 21st February 2005, 17:02

Is that a Mi-17V5/V6?

Did I see Mi-26? PLAAF one???

**sealion** · 21st February 2005, 17:29

There have been speculations that the Agusta A129 technology had been sold to China. It seems to me that the picture somehow resembles the A129, especially when you look at the rear wheel assembly. But there are major differences: A129 has 4-blade main rotor and 2-blade tail rotor, but the one in the picture has 5-blade main rotor and asymmetrical 4-blade tail rotor, which indicates that it is bigger and heavier than A129.

**plawolf** · 21st February 2005, 18:39

Originally Posted by Showtime 100

What bomb is that?

here's another pic of the clusterbomb. it actually apeared on the net quite some months ago, but i chose not to post it then since there were no definate indications of its origin.

**plawolf** · 21st February 2005, 18:44

Originally Posted by sealion

There have been speculations that the Agusta A129 technology had been sold to China. It seems to me that the picture somehow resembles the A129, especially when you look at the rear wheel assembly. But there are major differences: A129 has 4-blade main rotor and 2-blade tail rotor, but the one in the picture has 5-blade main rotor and asymmetrical 4-blade tail rotor, which indicates that it is bigger and heavier than A129.

its pretty unlikely to the true though. just doesnt make sence for china to buy an obsolete design, espcially when the EU arms embargo is still in place.

if the chinese wanted to buy an attack helo to RE, they could have just turned to the russians and got something far better without the need to sneak around and all the problems and risks that brings.

**Bonemachine** · 21st February 2005, 19:40

Thats not MI-26, but MI-6. Great find though.

**PLA** · 21st February 2005, 20:29

pl12? (CDF)

**Showtime 100** · 21st February 2005, 20:42

Originally Posted by PLA

pl12? (CDF)

I think this picture was post few months ago! By the way,the large fin hardly suggest is a PL-12.Probably a PL-11. Hopefully,that plane is a J-11B.

**Rick** · 22nd February 2005, 01:06

You are correct. The photo was posted and a discussion of the aircraft type ensued. It was noted the Su-30s in the background (photo certainly taken at Wuhu) but some wanted to argue they were not Su-30s because of the number of hardpoints. This plane was one short for an Su-30. A photo of Su-30s with the same number of hardpoints as this one was posted. A photo taken at an Su-30 base that could be an SU-30, probably is an Su-30.

**GoldenDragon** · 22nd February 2005, 02:17

Yes, and the missile was also discussed. It turned out to be a practice round of the R-27 and didn't have the normal pinched neck and flanges on the seekerhead that are tell-tale signs of a normal R-27. Hyperwarp posted a picture showing the practice round being loaded up on a MKK.

The original picture I posted was a lot bigger. I'll look to see if I have it around to repost.

**GoldenDragon** · 22nd February 2005, 02:22

Here it is:

**GoldenDragon** · 22nd February 2005, 02:27

Here's the training missile being loaded onto the Flanker (either a SK or J-11.) The same black bands of the training round in this picture are just visible in the disputed picture above.

**Hyperwarp** · 22nd February 2005, 03:58

Look whos at it again....

**Hyperwarp** · 22nd February 2005, 05:08

We had seen some scans before, but these are the clearest i've seen so far...

**Moskit** · 22nd February 2005, 08:26

Originally Posted by crobato

PL-8, PL-11 and PL-12 on J-10.

Notice the design of the PL-12's rear fins. Its meant to give the PL-12 exceptional agility.

The PL-12 is a high priority missile. Taiwan is armed with AIM-120Cs.

The Russian R-77 is no match for the American AMRAAM. China needs the PL-12.

China also wants to integrate the PL-12 with its Flankers. The R-77 is not good enough.

**Showtime 100** · 22nd February 2005, 08:45

Originally Posted by Moskit

Notice the design of the PL-12's rear fins. Its meant to give the PL-12 exceptional agility.

The PL-12 is a high priority missile. Taiwan is armed with AIM-120Cs.

The Russian R-77 is no match for the American AMRAAM. China needs the PL-12.

China also wants to integrate the PL-12 with its Flankers. The R-77 is not good enough.

One conclusion! PL-11(I still strongly believe it is a ARH missile) shall be compare to Taiwan 'SkySword II' ARH missile. PL-12 is compared to AIM-120C.The seeker use on PL-12 is definitely not AMR-1 seeker but a type evolve from it and be far more advance.AMR-1 seeker is believe to use on PL-11 and make it as a cheap active BVRAAM and for export market.While PL-12 will be offer only to close allied like Pakistan for their FC-1.

**Showtime 100** · 22nd February 2005, 15:20

S-300???

**Hyperwarp** · 23rd February 2005, 03:44

J-8H from top81....

Gray camo......

**Hyperwarp** · 23rd February 2005, 03:55

Gent can you translate this? supposed to contain smething important....

共军预警机新消息
摘自鼎盛王朝 052e 2005-02-22 22:41

http://www.top81.cn/bbs/ccb/index.cgi

今天同事兴冲冲过来告诉偶，他昨天去大校场机场玩，看到3架大圆盘，一架平衡木。3架圆盘中的一架是多次见到的，另两架还在装，飞机都是崭新的伊柳辛，机腹是淡绿色的，机身上的民航标志还没去掉。他说两个新圆盘好象比先前那架小些，平衡木的飞机被挡住了，看不清型号，不过是四个螺旋浆发动机，估计是运八。他看飞机时最近距离不到100米，当时旁边有一个十四所的老头，说预警雷达都是他们装的。偶知道平衡木与以色列有关，圆盘也是他们的技术就感到有些奇怪了，不知是不是真的。
他后悔当时没带望远镜，不然可以仔细看，我准备抽空去踩盘子瞧瞧，带着望远镜和相机。不过有经验的大虾们能否介绍一下经验，带这些装备去看会不会被请去喝茶啊？
另：我的052D怎么不能登陆了？

**Hyperwarp** · 23rd February 2005, 04:32

More J-8Hs

http://bbs13.xilu.com/cgi-bin/bbs/vi...message=105059

Some from the above link.....

**Deino** · 23rd February 2005, 06:08

J-10A no.27 posted by bomberman at CMF !

Doesn't look ps'ed ??? .... so it would be 81247 !?!

Deino

**Deino** · 23rd February 2005, 06:11

... and my attempt to make it more narrow !

**Jollyrogers** · 23rd February 2005, 07:20

Originally Posted by Deino

... and my attempt to make it more narrow !

Interesting to notice that the PLAAF insignia is painted on the fuslage rather than on the vertical fin.

**Moskit** · 23rd February 2005, 07:26

Someone here was asking about the quality of Chinese computer programmers. You might be interested in this global ranking of the world's best computer programmers. China is ranked fourth in the world.

http://www.topcoder.com/stat?c=country_avg_rating

Rank Name Member Count Rating

1 United States 1130 2747.98
2 Poland 131 2532.21
3 Canada 175 2472.89
4 China 95 2268.00
5 Germany 68 2187.49
6 Sweden 34 2120.45
7 Russian Federation 68 2067.45
8 Netherlands 20 2027.58
9 Ukraine 33 2019.31
10 Australia 53 1899.00
11 Romania 90 1895.18
12 Croatia 32 1852.37
13 Norway 27 1823.27
14 Belarus 27 1732.80
15 Slovakia (Slovak Republic) 16 1713.02
16 Bulgaria 39 1705.51
17 Argentina 37 1652.74
18 Korea, Republic of 10 1602.11
19 India 273 1592.06
20 United Kingdom 43 1564.16
21 Brazil 41 1563.82
22 Spain 16 1533.72
23 Viet Nam 12 1507.87
24 Estonia 12 1501.30
25 South Africa 10 1462.90
26 Indonesia 26 1450.29
27 France 14 1436.19
28 Japan 12 1428.52
29 Hong Kong 11 1395.27
30 Singapore 14 1355.21
31 Italy 20 1342.81
32 Lithuania 14 1301.13
33 Iran (Islamic Republic of) 11 1250.76
34 Bangladesh 11 1156.64
35 Israel 11 1072.66
36 Egypt 25 1066.61
37 Venezuela 14 1065.66
38 Mexico 20 1007.94
39 Pakistan 18 918.24
40 Philippines 11 910.80

**Showtime 100** · 23rd February 2005, 08:42

Originally Posted by Moskit

Someone here was asking about the quality of Chinese computer programmers. You might be interested in this global ranking of the world's best computer programmers. China is ranked fourth in the world.

http://www.topcoder.com/stat?c=country_avg_rating

Rank Name Member Count Rating

1 United States 1130 2747.98
2 Poland 131 2532.21
3 Canada 175 2472.89
4 China 95 2268.00
5 Germany 68 2187.49
6 Sweden 34 2120.45
7 Russian Federation 68 2067.45
8 Netherlands 20 2027.58
9 Ukraine 33 2019.31
10 Australia 53 1899.00
11 Romania 90 1895.18
12 Croatia 32 1852.37
13 Norway 27 1823.27
14 Belarus 27 1732.80
15 Slovakia (Slovak Republic) 16 1713.02
16 Bulgaria 39 1705.51
17 Argentina 37 1652.74
18 Korea, Republic of 10 1602.11
19 India 273 1592.06
20 United Kingdom 43 1564.16
21 Brazil 41 1563.82
22 Spain 16 1533.72
23 Viet Nam 12 1507.87
24 Estonia 12 1501.30
25 South Africa 10 1462.90
26 Indonesia 26 1450.29
27 France 14 1436.19
28 Japan 12 1428.52
29 Hong Kong 11 1395.27
30 Singapore 14 1355.21
31 Italy 20 1342.81
32 Lithuania 14 1301.13
33 Iran (Islamic Republic of) 11 1250.76
34 Bangladesh 11 1156.64
35 Israel 11 1072.66
36 Egypt 25 1066.61
37 Venezuela 14 1065.66
38 Mexico 20 1007.94
39 Pakistan 18 918.24
40 Philippines 11 910.80

What does this got to do with China aviation?

**Indian1973** · 23rd February 2005, 10:26

Nothing. and its just one website where certain people participated. the sample sizes are
so small its laughable to draw conclusions about any country. infact I think its impossible to figure out what the is "average" level of a country in anything unless one covers all geographical areas and samples hundreds of thousands of people...just picking a few kids off a school in a city doesnt work.

small and rich countries like nordic states will always display a better average.
however their small population also restricts the amount of deployable quality people. and thats where large nations like US win the 'war'

**Deino** · 23rd February 2005, 13:37

Three more of the KJ-2000 AWACS !

... just found at the armysky-forum !

Deino

**Hyperwarp** · 23rd February 2005, 14:21

Originally Posted by Deino

J-10A no.27 posted by bomberman at CMF !

Doesn't look ps'ed ??? .... so it would be 81247 !?!

Deino

Wait, wait, wait.....

This suspiciously looks like one of the high quality CG's created by Songbird a few months back....

I'll try to dig it up......

**Hyperwarp** · 23rd February 2005, 14:23

Originally Posted by Showtime 100

What does this got to do with China aviation?

I agree with Showtime........Moskit.....I think you should remove it......

**Hyperwarp** · 23rd February 2005, 14:28

Originally Posted by Deino

J-10A no.27 posted by bomberman at CMF !

Doesn't look ps'ed ??? .... so it would be 81247 !?!

Deino

Here you go....

Post #6 by HK dragon

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...light=songbird

**Deino** · 23rd February 2005, 15:02

Thank You very much !

Deino

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