China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 6

**Showtime 100** · 12th February 2005, 16:56

YJ-63?? I seriously doubt China still need Styx.Maybe a old photo!

**Sens** · 12th February 2005, 17:46

Alias "Silkworm" and still exported.

**Hyperwarp** · 12th February 2005, 17:50

Good golly!!!

We are in take six.....

**Showtime 100** · 12th February 2005, 18:10

Originally Posted by Sens

Alias "Silkworm" and still exported.

C-801,2,3 r also called 'Silkworm' in export under NATO term but defintely different from the photo shown!

**Sens** · 12th February 2005, 23:01

Originally Posted by Showtime 100

C-801,2,3 r also called 'Silkworm' in export under NATO term but defintely different from the photo shown!

SILKWORM

MAKER: CHINA
TYPE: CRUISE MISSILE
LENGTH: 20 FEET 6 INCHES
SPAN: 9 FEET 2 INCHES
RANGE: 50 MILES
DIAMETER: 29.5 INCHES
WEIGHT: 5,500 POUNDS EMPTY
ENGINE: SOLID ROCKET BOOSTER - LIQUID ROCKET CRUISE
TOP SPEED: MACH .8
WEAPON LOAD: 852 POUNDS HIGH EXPLOSIVE

SILKWORM MISSILE WITH WINGS FOLDED

Problem with upload of pics. Even for jpg invalid is given.

Please look at the link under China for pics.

http://www.softwar.net/scud.html

**crobato** · 13th February 2005, 03:50

Most probably Seersuckers or Krakens. The true Silkworms (HY-1) didn't last long with both the PLA and in the exports. The missile the Western press calls colorfully as "Silkworms" are actually Seersuckers (HY-2) with an extended range due to the lengthened fuselage. The ones Iran fired in the Gulf are all Seersuckers.

However, you cannot rule out other missiles because both the Sadsack (HY-4) and the Kraken (YJ-6) are also based on the same airframe as the Seersucker. The YJ-61 is the last version of the Kraken.

**Sens** · 13th February 2005, 13:11

Originally Posted by crobato

Most probably Seersuckers or Krakens. The true Silkworms (HY-1) didn't last long with both the PLA and in the exports. The missile the Western press calls colorfully as "Silkworms" are actually Seersuckers (HY-2) with an extended range due to the lengthened fuselage. The ones Iran fired in the Gulf are all Seersuckers.

However, you cannot rule out other missiles because both the Sadsack (HY-4) and the Kraken (YJ-6) are also based on the same airframe as the Seersucker. The YJ-61 is the last version of the Kraken.

The portside wingtip extension from "showtimes pic" indicates a HY-1.
I am aware that all Styx-clones carried different names to highlight new capabilities.
We do not know the age of that pic. If someone can point special details from that pic, please do so.

To ease the temper a little bit. Most changes of a weapons-system take place internally and sometimes manyfold performances. For example the externally similar variants of "HAWK/STANDARD/EXOCET/KOMORAN/ROLAND"
are not the same from the 60s/70s any more, but still known under their first name/acronym given.

**crobato** · 13th February 2005, 23:36

Definitely an old photo due to the Mao suits and caps the workers wear. Today factory workers either wear white lab coats or blue overalls.

**Showtime 100** · 14th February 2005, 03:06

Where can buy this one?

**Showtime 100** · 15th February 2005, 15:06

Suspect J-11B Number 622,New!!!

**Hyperwarp** · 15th February 2005, 16:27

Guess whoooo...

**plawolf** · 15th February 2005, 17:55

Originally Posted by Hyperwarp

Guess whoooo...

OMG they actually built it.

**PLA** · 15th February 2005, 21:00

Funny how the rudder is lengthened for compensating higher canopy...

**Sens** · 15th February 2005, 21:30

The whole "finish" looks like bolted together.

**PLA** · 15th February 2005, 21:35

Somehow I cannot find a better word sens... That plane should be replaced. PAF doesn't like it. It has terrrible handling and what potential has a shortlegged double seated version? Trainer?

**Hydropod** · 16th February 2005, 09:50

Err... PLA wants some thing for short range precision attacks, guess they are going to get this.

**Deino** · 16th February 2005, 14:22

Just found at the armysky-forum !

Deino

**Showtime 100** · 16th February 2005, 15:12

**crobato** · 16th February 2005, 16:12

It looks like "1021" on that J-10B.

**crobato** · 16th February 2005, 16:37

Well, looks like we may have another new J-11 regiment folks. The planes have been ID'ed as 12th Division Jinan MR.

Originally Posted by Showtime 100

Suspect J-11B Number 622,New!!!

**Showtime 100** · 16th February 2005, 16:50

What is this?

**savage-rabbit** · 16th February 2005, 18:46

Originally Posted by Showtime 100

What is this?

A pressure test chamber?

**plawolf** · 16th February 2005, 19:14

Originally Posted by savage-rabbit

A pressure test chamber?

no, its a missile canester, however i am unable to recall which missile is hilds.

**crobato** · 16th February 2005, 22:30

Submarine launched, maybe JL-1, JL-1A or JL-2.

**Hyperwarp** · 16th February 2005, 22:35

Either C-101 or the C-301.....most probably the C-101

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/m.../row/c-101.htm

I had a pic of it with a canister similar to that one fitted onto an FAC.....I'll try to find it.....its with me somewhere....

Then again.....can't attach the darn thing.....

**Indian1973** · 17th February 2005, 03:51

what details are known at present of the J-10s radar ? is stuff like weight, dish diameter,
number of targets tracked & number attacked, A2G modes, A2A range against fighters known?

I am also interested in details of the Thales RC400 if anyone has it. Their website has
a very limited info in the PDF file.

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**Hyperwarp** · 17th February 2005, 12:50

Originally Posted by Indian1973

what details are known at present of the J-10s radar ? is stuff like weight, dish diameter, number of targets tracked & number attacked, A2G modes, A2A range against fighters known?

Indi....not much is known.....

Its believed to be the "Type 1473/KLJ3"..

I think, there was some info about it in the NRIET website....but they seem to have removed that in a hurry...

But you still get a small pic of the J-10 at the top.....so that might be an indication....

http://www.nriet.cn/eBusiness/GB/index.asp

But no info there......

So when it comes to the others.....

Hui Tong says this:

...A new PD fire-control radar (search distance 52~148km, track 4-8 targets simultaneously) will also be fitted. The radar candidates included Israeli Elta EL/M 2035, Russian Phazotron Zhuk-M (Zhemchug), but more likely the indigenous Type 1473/KLJ3. A variety of newly developed air-to-air (e.g. PL-8 short-range IR-guided AAM and PL-11/PL-12/SD-10 medium-range radar-guided AAM) and air-to-surface weapons including ASMs and LGBs are also expected to be carried...

http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

But Dong Feng Says this:

...The J-10 is reported to be fitted with an indigenous KLJ-3 pulse-Doppler fire-control radar developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (also known as 14th Institute). The KLJ-3 radar, which might be based on early variant AN/APG-66/68 technology, is said to have a maximum detecting range of 100~130km (attacking range 80~90km), and is capable of engaging two targets simultaneously. The radar system was tested on a Y-7 aerial radar testbed before being fitted on the J-10.

Russian company Phazotron is prompting its Zhuk-10PD, a version of the system in later Su-27s, with 160km search range and ability to track up to six targets. Israel has also offered its Elta EL/M-2035 radar for competition...

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp

Hui Tong for along time has been considered the most accurate and consistent.....

**Hyperwarp** · 17th February 2005, 17:37

Some missile launch sequences....

http://bbs13.xilu.com/cgi-bin/bbs/vi...message=103885

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What would this be?

http://bbs13.xilu.com/cgi-bin/bbs/vi...message=103813

**zubairi** · 17th February 2005, 19:09

looks more like an fc-1 from this angle than a J7 series fighter ...

**savage-rabbit** · 17th February 2005, 22:44

Originally Posted by Hyperwarp

What would this be?

The topmost picture is of a J-7G the third one shows a 4th division J-7E.

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