Q-5 Fantan

[Iranian F-14A]

China also recently flew the two seat Q-5J Fantan.This is a combat capable trainer version.This could also be the basis for a more advanced two seat night/all weather model.

[Deino]

This was posted some time ago at the CMF ... unfortunately one page is missing !

Maybe it could help ....

Cheers, Deino

[Archibaald]

The A-5C appears in the old video game "F-22 Raptor" (Novalogic). I fought them so many time... no match against the Raptor!

[Don Chan]

Is "10660" a real PLA/PLAAF/PLAN serial number?

Haven't found a photo of the real 10660 Red yet, but the
closest that I found is a photo of the real 10661 Red, at
http://tuku.military.china.com/milit...-02-23/397.htm

[edisonone]

[Don Chan]

That's a screen cap of a virtual Miss 10262 Red.
Is she in BF2 also?
Anyway.
I'm looking for a photo of the real Miss 10660 Red.

[PhantomII]

Cool drawings.

What game is that screenshot from?

[Don Chan]

Battlefield 2: Armored Fury (Windows: Electronic Arts, 2006.03.28)

http://www.ea.com/official/battlefie.../euroforce.jsp
http://www.totalbf2.com/game/af/vehicles/

[GoldenDragon]

The Q-5 is in BF2? I don't have the game but I thought the Chinese forces only had the J-10 and Su-27.

[Don Chan]

I don't have the game either, but I'm keeping track, off and on, of the vehicles in it and its add-ons: Special Forces, Euro Force, and Armored Fury; if just because its forces include the PLA (s_cks).
And I've been writing, off and on, about them in the Real World Vehicles FAQ, as seen at
http://faqs.ign.com/objects/677/677882.html
http://www.cheathappens.com/show_download.asp?id=18554
if just because I was disappointed by the Real World Vehicles FAQ that someone else wrote for Battlefield Vietnam.
(Yes, what with gawking at virtual military aircraft, I've no life.) 8b

The Q-5 is in the Armored Fury add-on, AFAIK.

[Don Chan]

My dumb question of the week, WRT the Q-5:
What/why are those red half-circle marks on the wings and sides?

[GoldenDragon]

My dumb question of the week, WRT the Q-5:
What/why are those red half-circle marks on the wings and sides?

Those are visual cues on the wing roots and fences. Most likely used for formation flying. The large wing fences can confuse depth perception from a wingman looking from the side so the half-circles are painted to allow the wingfences to be distinguished from the body of the plane.

[PhantomII]

I hate to change subjects, but what is the deal with the latest Q-5 variants such as the J model? Is it in service? How many?

What about the Q-5D and E? How many of those have been made?

[GoldenDragon]

I hate to change subjects, but what is the deal with the latest Q-5 variants such as the J model? Is it in service? How many?

The two seat Q-5J prototype only flew last year. It's future is not very certain. People say it is just one of many proposals from China's many obsolete assembly lines to keep them running. Overcapacity is a serious problem.

Most likely, there would be a few dozen made as trainers or perhaps a few PGM deliverers taking advantage of the second pilot. But the range and load of the design are way too limited.

What about the Q-5D and E? How many of those have been made?

There is also the F. There are probably 200 or less of these late models with the majority of them being the D variant. Series production has supposedly ended for all Q-5s.

[Don Chan]

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/.../12520090.html

Five pages of photos of the PLAAF Q-5 office (cockpit).
Instruments are labelled in Chinese. 8)

(When the computer game Battlefield 2: Armored Fury comes out, I wonder whether the virtual Q-5 office is also labelled in Chinese?)

[Don Chan]

LU Xiao Peng.
Chief designer, Q-5 and variants.

[Iranian F-14A]

I hate to change subjects, but what is the deal with the latest Q-5 variants such as the J model? Is it in service? How many?

What about the Q-5D and E? How many of those have been made?

From what I've heard,with the retirement of the JJ-6 Farmers,they decided to make a trainer of the Fantan so as they could continue training pilots on the type sice before they'd used just the standard two seat J-6.They're also looking to expand this into the type being used,as mentioned before,as an LGB dropper and all weather model.

[sainz]

More later...

[crobato]

Nice pic on Q-5 80572 (7th Division PLANAF?). It appears the plane has radar and could carry antiship missiles. It must be a prototype but it has operational colors and unit.

[PhantomII]

Wasn't that a test bed for a possible upgrade allowing the Q-5 to use the C-801 anti-ship missile or something? Q-5B maybe?

By the way crob can I ask a favor? Assuming the Q-5D is the most numerous of the newer production models in service, could you provide a list of the weapon types that they are capable of carrying and what stations they carry them on? I know it's a lot, but good information on the Q-5 is hard for me to come by and you're one of the better sources on Chinese stuff there is.

[edisonone]

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With all the commotions about foreign assitances, here
are what might have been the next generation of Q-5s. And, that belly intake?
It clearly have this almost J-10 genises to it doesn't it?


三机部对这种新型飞机非常重视，并很快于1976年6月召集所属各部 设计人员
到北京，要求他们在最短的时间内提出设计方案。根据三机部下达的设计要求。沈阳飞机制造厂
和 南昌飞机制造厂很快提出了自己的方案，其中，南昌飞机制造厂提出强一6设计方案，沈阳飞 机 制
造 厂则提出了歼轰一8设计方案，西安飞机制造厂则稍后提出了“飞豹”设计方 案。

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/dljl...2893762_1.html
(Toatal 2 pages)

沈飞的歼轰一8，就是歼一8的对地攻击改型。起先，三机部是
倾向于沈阳提出的歼轰一8方案的，但由于此时歼一8原型机尚未定型，该方案
在 实际运作中的风险系数过高，因此歼一8轰方案最终被否决。

强6是在米格一23MC的基础 (modeled after) 上发展而来的，当然
同样采用了悬臂式 单翼结构的可变后掠翼的布局，这种结构阻力小，稳定性好，适
合于飞机的 高速突防，并为对地攻击武器提供了一个理想的发射平台。


The Q-5 was nice, but the Q-6
would've been even nicer and the JH-7
(FBC) would've been better still...

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[Deino]

Nice pic on Q-5 80572 (7th Division PLANAF?). It appears the plane has radar and could carry antiship missiles. It must be a prototype but it has operational colors and unit.

That's right !!! Even if this picture is not new, but until now I always thought the specialised naval-version Q-5B (as seen in prototype form in the same post above) never entered operational use ... nor that there was ever an improved machine other than the prototype !

Thanks, Deino

[PhantomII]

Interesting that the Q-5E is said to carry the targeting pod while the F carries the two LS-500J LGB's......

Why not have one designation and in practice have one aircraft carry the pod while another carries the two bombs.

Of course self-designation is even better. Does the weight of the pod and two LGB's not allow the Q-5 to take-off? Surely that's not the case.

Seems like smaller LGB's like those in the 250-kg class should be used for an aircraft like the Q-5. (i.e. as seen on Super Etendards with the GBU-12). A load of perhaps four LS-250J's (?), two tanks, one designator, pod, and two AAM's for self defense would be perfect.

Alternatively I guess two LS-500J's, two smaller outboard tanks, and one targeting pod would work.

Anyone have theories on why two variants for this LGB delivery system?

Is the pod the same as the Blue Sky pod supposedly carried by the JH-7 and possibly J-10?

[edisonone]

Interesting that the Q-5E is said to carry the targeting pod while the F carries the two LS-500J LGB's......

Why not have one designation and in practice have one aircraft carry the pod while another carries the two bombs.

Of course self-designation is even better. Does the weight of the pod and two LGB's not allow the Q-5 to take-off? Surely that's not the case.

Seems like smaller LGB's like those in the 250-kg class should be used for an aircraft like the Q-5. (i.e. as seen on Super Etendards with the GBU-12). A load of perhaps four LS-250J's (?), two tanks, one designator, pod, and two AAM's for self defense would be perfect.

Alternatively I guess two LS-500J's, two smaller outboard tanks, and one targeting pod would work.

Anyone have theories on why two variants for this LGB delivery system?

Is the pod the same as the Blue Sky pod supposedly carried by the JH-7 and possibly J-10?

Why, you unpatriotic Islander you ! Why embroil yourself in
the Q-5 when you don't need to? I mean it's not as if it's going to cross
the TW Straight and fly staright into your home town you know - not when there's something
that's this dangerous sitting around your neck of the woods.

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2.../13184516.html

So sleep tight my friend and don't worry about the Q-5s.
Because, once CSB gets kicked out of office and MYJ takes over,
the two airfoces will likely buddy up with each other and diplomatic visits
between the two airforces will likely be the calls of the day.

So eat your heart out guys. TW is no push over !!!!


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[tphuang]

Interesting that the Q-5E is said to carry the targeting pod while the F carries the two LS-500J LGB's......

Why not have one designation and in practice have one aircraft carry the pod while another carries the two bombs.

Of course self-designation is even better. Does the weight of the pod and two LGB's not allow the Q-5 to take-off? Surely that's not the case.

Seems like smaller LGB's like those in the 250-kg class should be used for an aircraft like the Q-5. (i.e. as seen on Super Etendards with the GBU-12). A load of perhaps four LS-250J's (?), two tanks, one designator, pod, and two AAM's for self defense would be perfect.

Alternatively I guess two LS-500J's, two smaller outboard tanks, and one targeting pod would work.

Anyone have theories on why two variants for this LGB delivery system?

Is the pod the same as the Blue Sky pod supposedly carried by the JH-7 and possibly J-10?

I'm pretty sure they are different. blue sky is by 607, the FLIR/LT pod is by 613
This is the new FLIR/LT pod used for LGBs
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/missiles/FLIR.jpg
blue sky
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/...illantian3.jpg

[PhantomII]

Blue Sky reminds me of LANTIRN...

In any case does anyone have photos of a Q-5 bombed up with LS-500J's?

[crobato]

Wasn't that a test bed for a possible upgrade allowing the Q-5 to use the C-801 anti-ship missile or something? Q-5B maybe?

It may have actually been operational for a while. although defunct by now, letting the JH-7s do the task instead.

By the way crob can I ask a favor? Assuming the Q-5D is the most numerous of the newer production models in service, could you provide a list of the weapon types that they are capable of carrying and what stations they carry them on? I know it's a lot, but good information on the Q-5 is hard for me to come by and you're one of the better sources on Chinese stuff there is.

The plane has six points in the wings and four in the fuselage.

Wings:

Outer point : Usually an AAM for self defense. The PL-5 is the one seen for this.

Middle Point: Almost always taken up by a tank.

Inner Point: Stressed for 500kg. Either a 500kg bomb, or two 250kg bombs in a rack. The most common installation has been rocket pods though.

Fuselage points:
Four 250kg bombs.

These pics of the pod and LS500 bomb is actually on a Q-5.

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/...attack/q54.asp

I am not sure why they gave a new designation for the Q-5 just for carrying the pod and LGB as there is no precedent for that. Also the pics above shows the background plane to be dark green, indicating an operational Q-5D, rather than prototype Q-5Es or Q-5Fs in yellow.

[PLA-MKII]

wasn't the coolest thing about the Q-5 its internal bomb bay?

[PhantomII]

I wonder if the features of the Q-5E/F will simply be incorporated onto the D fleet, therefore meaning that seeing a green Q-5 with LGB's or a targeting pod wouldn't be a weird thing....

Does the E/F have any other improvements that the D doesn't have?

Does any Q-5 model aside from the now defunct K and M have a truly functional modern-day HUD?

[crobato]

There is also the F. There are probably 200 or less of these late models with the majority of them being the D variant. Series production has supposedly ended for all Q-5s.

I have to disagree on this one. The fact you have Q-5E/F/J prototypes indicate that new aircraft are still being built, even at reduced levels. Once you have dissolved a production line, it's like Humpty Dumpy---it is very hard to get everything back, with all the skilled labor and management gone.

Like the J-7 and J-8II lines, there has to be some low rate of production in order to keep the production line, then ramp up the production if needed.

There is still quite a number of Q-5 regiments out there; 250 operational planes is not a bad number. There may be more in reserve. Although these regiments may be inevitably targeted for JH-7A upgrades.

Personally there is something about the way plane looks that I look, quite raw, spunky and retro looking. Would hate to see it go. I don't know what the opinions of the pilots are, but I guess they would probably hate to lose their steeds to something, although much more modern, is also a lot bigger and less nimble. By the way, since that F-100 vs J-6 thread last year, no one ever mentioned that the J-6 is a difficult plane to fly (by admission among PLAAF pilots including Han Decai). One can expect the Q-5 to be just as worst. But once it is mastered they reward the pilot well for the effort with a fairly good thrust to weight ratio to boot.

I wonder if the features of the Q-5E/F will simply be incorporated onto the D fleet, therefore meaning that seeing a green Q-5 with LGB's or a targeting pod wouldn't be a weird thing....

Does the E/F have any other improvements that the D doesn't have?

That the details we don't know.

Does any Q-5 model aside from the now defunct K and M have a truly functional modern-day HUD?

We have never seen a cockpit inside a late Q-5 model but all the new models should have them.