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    Typhoon control column

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    Sea Hornets & Fireflies

    Having just been made aware of this forum (which is terrific!!) I have the following comments on the previous exchanges which might hopefully be of use:

    The Firefly fuselage marked "277" was actually WB298 (not WD).

    Wrecks & Relics listed the remnants of "TT20?" and "VZ66?" Three TT-serialled Sea Hornets are known to have ended up at Minworth Metals at Castle Bromwich, these being TT205, TT208 and TT209. It is a good bet that these ended up at Failsworth as scrap does seem to have moved between yards from time to time. I have no record of TT207 at Failsworth (doesn't mean that it wasn't, though).

    As for VZ66-serialled Sea Hornets all bar VZ664 (which became an instructional airframe in 1954) were sold for scrap on 22 July 1957, which doesn't help with the identification of this particular wing section.

    If anyone has any further details of these aircraft then I'd love to hear of them. Similarly any logs of Naval aircraft (all the Fireflies etc) and the dates they were noted would be hugely welcomed if you could contact me off list.

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    FAO Cestrian

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    Can you contact me off list (or send me a PM with your e-mail address)?

    Cheers

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    I've found my missing slides from Failsworth.This is the Sea Hornet wing 1980
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    Balliol WG229 in the famous pond 1980
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    This is the 'other' Swift F4 WK214 November1980
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    Balliol November1980
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    Hi Cestrian,

    These are fabulously interesting images, thank you for posting them. Can you tell us more about how you gained access to the yard and what became of it. It has been mentioned several times that the yard was 'cleared'. What did that entail and what became of the airframes?

    Thanks in anticipation.
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    Hi MkV,
    The answer to your question about how I gained access is very surreptitiously!The woman who looked after the yard had a couple of huge dogs,but towards the end of the yard's life access was much easier.The yard was cleared completely in March 1981 to make the area tidier for a parkland scheme.A few of the airframes were saved,Swift WK198,Brigand RH746 ,2 Balliol cockpit sections and 1 or 2 Firely front fuselages,but the rest were broken up and carted away to be molten down.Several Firefly fuselages were moved to the company's other yard in Salford but I don't know their fate.
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    Failsworth memories

    I visited the yard twice - in 1964 and 1970 - little seemed to have changed on the second visit. The u/i aircraft in posting #18 is the Brigand fuselage. there was a white painted Hornet wing nearby with a 'TT' serial. There were two Swifts - the record breaker in its original colours plus another allover grey with no visible identity. My visits were illegal and the second one terminated when I found a very large and fresh dog's footprint (could only have belonged to the Hound of the Baskervilles) and heard its heavy breathing uncomfortably close. I have some colour photos taken from outside and will dig out the negs to post if, as a new boy, I can figure how to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat 12x2
    Great pic Mark, I agree with David's comments, fascinating, now I'm waiting for the other 13 pics Mark.

    Any pics Steve ?, Staravia at Lasham was before my time & I had never heard of their Church Crookham yard, but I did visit their Ascot & Finchampstead yards. P-39 drop tanks still in crates in Ascot in the late '70s ! Managed to 'rescue a RCAF F-86 tail resplendent with its Tigers head Sqd motif. I also 'found' a new P-80 (yes P & not F) U/C door at Finchampstead amongst 1000's of other brand new parts just before it was all lost in a fire 10 years ago.I was told that they also had a yard in Wales, but that had been raided & cleared out for scrap by gipsies
    Thought I would help Steve out with a couple of photos I took at Lasham on a cold wintery day there on 8th February 1969, showing a line up of ex-RCAF Canadair Sabres and the tail of an RCAF T-33A. I nearly took the tail home with me, but it wouldn't quite fit in my Mini!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiltonFlyer
    Very interesting to see Brigand RH746 at Failsworth, Here is a photo of it now (or rather a couple of years ago) at the Bristol Aero Collection.



    I hadn't realised that at least one wing survived until so recently. I know the Bristol Aero Collection would love to get their hands on the wing, it would probably swing it for a restoration. The fuselage is still owned by Unimetals, the company who ran the scrapyard I believe. I don't suppose anyone has any bits pilfered from it, like a wing?
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    You're absolutely right about the owner of the Brigand who doesn't want it restored!! They will allow the Bristol Aero Collection to have it as long as it stays as it is! Sacriledge!
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    Any more pics at Lasham ?
    I am told that there where F86's lined up like that at Ascot, were thay moved there from Lasham when it closed or another batch ?
    I will have to visit my old ATC Sqd. to see if thay still have the F86 tail which I left/donated with/to them, I still have some U/C doors & other panels still with there PR (?) Blue paint on
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    Ascot had a load of Spanish F-86s at one time.

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    Fabulous. Its great to see and hear about these places.

    Hard to believe that the owners could be so hard nosed about selling the a/c and were happier to see them scrapped. Such a shame.
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    Flipping Heck (or words to that effect) such a travesty, all that history gone to waste.
    a crying shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat 12x2
    Albert
    Any more pics at Lasham ?
    I am told that there where F86's lined up like that at Ascot, were thay moved there from Lasham when it closed or another batch ?
    I will have to visit my old ATC Sqd. to see if thay still have the F86 tail which I left/donated with/to them, I still have some U/C doors & other panels still with there PR (?) Blue paint on
    Regret those were the only shots I took. Next time I went there, everything had gone and the yard closed down. I presumed they had all been scrapped.
    Adrian

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    Encouraged again by Albert, I'll have another bash at posting some photos in a week or so. My last visit to Lasham was 1970 I think, and there were still a lot of Sea Furies, Meteors, etc, and even an RAF Neptune.

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    I just thought you might like to see this scrapyard-ish shot that I took at Brawdy in 1963. Hope it works!
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    By the looks of that, Steve, I would say you've cracked it!
    What are they. (It seems I'm going to have to start wearing my glasses when I use the PC, or get a bigger screen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike J
    although there has been talk of one of the two Balliol T2s in Sri Lanka finding its way home recently.
    I saw one of the Balliols is with the SLAF Museum at Ratmalana - that probably wont move out of there. The Other Balliol I saw (from a great distance) was at Diyatalawa . This could be a candidate for acquisition? Though I am inclined not to think so as it is the SLAF property.

    Both sightings are circa August 2003. Both aircraft are static displays and seem to be in pretty good condition.

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    Flushed with success, here are the first couple of Lasham shots promised, taken on 8 May 1971. More to follow some time.
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    Superb thread, chaps.....paid a visit there myself over a Bank Holiday in '73, must have been Easter I think (memory chip in dire need of an upgrade... )

    Anyway, just as a reminder of what was there, here's a list from an old school friend and well-known tormentor of the Greek Air Force;

    RF510 Lincoln B.2, (wings, rear fuselage and other parts) allocated 7377M at Weeton 16.10.56, Soc 13.5.58.

    RH746 Brigand TF.I, Aw/Cn 16.3.46, to CRD Filton 5.4.46, to A&AEE 18.6.46, to ATDU Gosport, to Bristol's 15.10.47, returning to ATDU 29.4.49.

    VT376 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Culham as an AS.5 1.3.48, to Abbotsinch by 1.49, to Hal Far 13.5.49, to Gosport 9.49, to Fairey's by 7.50 for AS.6 conversion, Toc as AS.6 1.12.51, to Anthorn by 7.52, to '217' 812 Sqn, to Belfast by 7.54, to Anthorn by 7.55 and sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    VT409 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Culham 9.4.48 as an AS.5, to the Med 31.1.49 and with 810 Sqn as '233/T' by 7.49, returned to the UK 29.2.50, to Fairey's for AS.6 conversion, Toc as AS.6 1.5.51, to Anthorn, to St Merryn by 1.52, to '224/J' 820 Sqn, loaned 826 Sqn 10.52, to Fairey's by 7.53, to Hal Far 28.11.53, returned to the UK on HMS Glory 1.1.55, to Anthorn and sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    VT460 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Culham 1.7.48 as an AS.5, to 812 Sqn 7.48, to Gosport by 9.49, to Fairey's by 7.50 for AS.6 conversion, to Abbotsinch by 7.52, to Eglinton 27.1.53, to Belfast by 7.53, to 826 sqn by 7.54, struck by VT464 in taxiing accident 29.9.54, to Anthorn by 7.55 and sold for scrap 22.7.57.

    VT475 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Culham as an AS.5, to Lee by 1.49, to Abbotsinch by 7.49, to '237/T' 810 Sqn, hit barrier on HMS Theseus, to Fairey's by 1.50 for repair and AS.6 conversion, Toc as AS.6 1.2.51, to Anthorn by 7.51, to Eglinton by 7.52, to '287' 824 Sqn 4.53, to Eglinton 7.54, to Anthorn by 7.55 and sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    VW369 Meteor FR.9, Aw/Cn 18.12.50, to 38 MU 15.1.51, alloc to MEAF 27.2.51, despatched 14.3.51 and arrived 20.3.51, to Fayid Stn Flt 22.3.51, to 'H' 208 Sqn 14.4.51, to 109 MU 16.2.55, issued to UK 12.5.55, to FRL for overhaul 7.6.55, to 33 MU 12.12.55, declared NEA 28.1.57 and sold for scrap 5.9.57 to Enfield Rolling Mills.

    VX395 Firefly AS.6, (but reported Minworth 28.8.57).

    VZ593 Meteor FR.9, Aw/Cn 28.12.50, d/d 8 MU 9.1.51, alloc to MEAF 7.3.51 and despatched 9.3.51, to 'Q' 208 Sqn 13.3.51, all oc to UK 13.12.55 and to 32 MU 19.12.55, to 12 MU 25.7.56, declared NEA 1.2.57, sold for scrap 7.2.58.

    VZ607 Meteor FR.9, Aw/Cn 29.3.51, d/d 2 Sqn 16.4.51, Cat.4 accident 27.11.52, to Glosters for repair 3.12.52-17.6.53, to 8 MU 19.6.53, to 'T-S' 79 Sqn 4.2.54, Cat.4 accident 8.6.55, issued to UK 7.9.55, to Flight Refuelling Ltd for overhaul 7.9.55, to 33 MU 6.12.55, to sold for scrap 5.9.57.

    WB431 Firefly AS.6, Toc by Fairey's 28.4.50 as an AS.5 for AS.6 conversion, Toc as AS.6 1.12.50, to Anthorn by 7.51, to Yeovilton by 7.52, to Anthorn by 7.53, to Stretton by 9.53 as '214/ST', to 737 Sqn at Eglinton by 1.54, struck by VT474 in taxiing accident 5.11.54 but repaired and sent to Anthorn by 7.55, sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    WB437 Firefly AS.6, Toc by Fairey's 16.5.50 as an AS.5 for AS.6 conversion, Toc as AS.6 1.2.51, to Anthorn by 7.51, to 812 Sqn by 7.52 as '215', to Eglinton by 1.54, to Lee-On-Solent 14.9.54, to Anthorn by 7.55 and sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    WB440 Firefly AS.6, Toc by Fairey's 22.5.50 as an AS.5 for AS.6 conversion, Toc as AS.6 1.2.51, to 826 Sqn by 7.51 as '278/A', to Fleetlands by 7.54, to Anthorn, to Eglinton 7.12.54 as '220/GN', to Anthorn by 7.55 and sold for scrap 2.2.57.

    WD847 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Culham 31.8.50, to Abbotsinch by 1.51, to Fairey's by 1.52, with CS(A) at Eglinton by 7.52, to RNAY Belfast by 7.53, to 703 Sqn/A Flt at Arbroath by 4.54 as '283/J' until 2.7.54, to Arbroath Stn Flt, to Anthorn by 7.55 coded '602', sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    WD859 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Culham 3.10.50, to Anthorn by 1.51, to 1830 Sqn at Donibristle by 12.51 as '243/DO', re-coded '243/AC' 2.54, to 1842 Sqn at Ford, to Fleetlands by 7.54, to 1841 Sqn at Stretton by 6.55 as '286/ST', to Anthorn by 1.56 and Soc 22.7.57 (but reported at Minworth 25.8.57).

    WD907 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Anthorn 22.2.51 and with 814 Sqn by 1.52, to 826 Sqn by 2.52, to Belfast by 7.52, to 824 Sqn as '286/A' by 4.53, to Scottish Air Division by 1.54 as '241/AC', re-coded '221/AC' 4.54, to Anthorn by 1.56 and sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    WD918 Firefly AS.6, Toc at Anthorn 11.4.51, to 1840 sqn by 9.51 as '204/FD', to C(A) by 7.54, to Ford by 10.54, to Anthorn by 1.56 and sold for scrap 2.3.57.

    WF989 Balliol T.1, d/d A&AEE, to 7 FTS, to 'CJ' RAFC 22.2.54, to 9 MU store 22.4.55, sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WF991 Balliol T.1, d/d 7 FTS, to 'AC' RAFC 25.3.54, to 9 MU store 22.9.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WF997 Balliol T.1, d/d 7 FTS, to RAFC 29.3.54, to 22 MU store 6.12.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WG124 Balliol T.1, d/d 7 FTS, to 'AR' RAFC 2.4.54, to store at 22 MU 6.12.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WG126 Balliol T.1, d/d 7 FTS, to 'BR' RAFC 31.3.54, to store at 22 MU 14.11.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WG139 Balliol T.1, d/d 7 FTS, to 'CO' RAFC 11.3.54, to store at 22 MU 14.12.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WG229 Balliol T.1, d/d Home Command Comms Sqn, stored at 22 MU, sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WK198 Swift F.4, Laid down as an F.1 but completed as the F.4 prototype, f/f 27.5.53 from South Marston piloted by Mike Lithgow, MoS development/trials a/c, established London-Paris speed record 5.7.53 at 669.3 mph, to Tripoli 22.9.53 and on 25.9.53 established World Air Speed Record of 735.7 mph, to 23 MU 9.1.57 and transferred to RAF same day, allocated 7428M 20.5.57 and declared NEA 3.6.57, to 10 SoTT Kirkham 23.7.57, sold for scrap to Unimetal and Soc 2.6.58.

    WK265 Swift F.3, Aw/Cn 20.1.56, to 15 MU store same day, to instructional as 7342M 27.3.56 and allocated to 10 SoTT at Kirkham 6.4.56, Soc 2.6.58 and sold for scrap to Unimetal.

    WN149 Balliol T.1, d/d RAFC as 'AT' 14.7.54, to store at 22 MU 18.11.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WN516 Balliol T.1, d/d RAFC as 'CC' 23.4.54, Cat.4 7.10.55 and to store at 22 MU and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WN533 Balliol T.1, d/d RAFC 10.12.54 becoming 'AX', to store at 22 MU 18.11.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WN534 Balliol T.1, d/d RAFC as 'AF' 3.6.54, to store at 22 MU 5.12.55 and sold for scrap 26.6.57 to Aluminium Refiners Ltd.

    WV418 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 31.1.53, to CS(A), to 3 FTS, to CNCS, to 27 MU store, Soc 28.11.63.

    WV538 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 13.1.54, to 22 FTS, to 27 MU store, Soc 25.11.63.

    WW391 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 31.8.54, to 9 MU store, to 12 MU store, to 27 MU store, Soc 25.11.63.

    WX495 Neptune MR.1, (51-15917) accepted by USAF 7.3.52, dep Burbank 17.6.52, to Kinloss 3.7.52 for 217 Sqn as 'A-F', to 'C-K' 236 OCU 16.3.53, Cat.3R 5.2.54, repaired on site, completed 26.9.54, to 22 MU 5.9.56 for storage, declared NEA 17.4.58, sold for scrap to Aluminium Refiners Ltd 11.11.58.

    WX496 Neptune MR.1, (51-15918) accepted by USAF 30.4.52, dep Burbank 19.6.52, to Kinloss 3.7.52 for 217 Sqn as 'A-D', to 32 MU 5.8.52, returned to 217 Sqn 17.10.52, to 'C-J' 236 OCU 16.3.53, Cat.3R 5.2.54, repaired on site by 63 MU, completed 19.2.54, Cat.3R again 10.5.54, repaired on site by SAL and completed 28.7.54, to 22 MU store 5.9.56, declared NEA 21.4.58, sold to Aluminium Refiners Ltd 11.11.58.

    WX551 Neptune MR.1, (51-15963) accepted by USAF 28.4.53, dep Burbank 1.5.53, to Kinloss 13.5.53 for 45 MU store, to 'C-O' 236 OCU 7.8.53, Cat.3R 14.8.54, repaired by 63 MU and completed 20.8.54, to 22 MU store 4.9.56, declared NEA 17.4.58, sold to Aluminium Refiners Ltd 11.11.58.

    WX554 Neptune MR.1, (51-15965) accepted by USAF 22.5.53, dep Burbank 22.5.53, to Kinloss 3.6.53 for 45 MU store, to 'A-A' 217 sqn 8.6.53, Cat.3R 9.8.54, repaired on site by 63 MU, completed 14.8.54, Cat.3R(FA) port u/c collapse at Kinloss 10.4.56, repaired on site, to SAL for mods 18.4.56-19.9.56, returned to 217 Sqn 20.9.56, to 22 MU store 19.10.56, declared NEA 17.4.58, sold to Aluminium Refiners Ltd 11.11.58.

    WX962 Meteor FR.9, Aw/Cn 16.5.52, to 20 MU 23.5.52, to 33 MU 13.8.53, allocated to MEAF 12.6.54, to 'Q' 208 Sqn 3.7.54, allocated to UK 20.3.56 and arrived at 12 MU Kirkbride 26.3.56, declared NEA 1.2.57, Soc and sold for scrap 7.2.58.

    WX968 Meteor FR.9, Aw/Cn 23.6.52, to 33 MU 24.6.52, to 'B-W' 2 Sqn 10.12.52, to 33 MU 5.4.55, to 'H' 2 Sqn 8.9.55, to 38 MU 6.6.56, to 19 MU 31.1.57, Soc 30.12.57 to HH Bushell.

    WX969 Meteor FR.9, Aw/Cn 30.6.52, to 33 MU 2.7.52, alloc to MEAF 16.7.54, to 107 MU 22.7.54, to 'V' 208 Sqn 25.8.54, to UK 20.3.56 and to 12 MU Kirkbride 26.3.56, declared NEA 1.2.57, Soc 30.12.57 and sold for scrap 7.2.58.

    XF540 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 27.4.55, to 12 MU store, to 27 MU store, Soc 28.11.63.

    XF553 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 27.5.55, to 12 MU store, to 27 MU store, Soc 28.11.63.

    XF557 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 27.5.55, to 12 MU store, to 27 MU store, Soc 28.11.63.

    XF564 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 30.6.55, to 12 MU store, to 27 MU store, Soc 28.11.63.

    XF686 Provost T.1, Aw/Cn 31.3.55, to 12 MU store, to 27 MU store, Soc 28.11.63.

    XG657 Sea Venom FAW.21, (fuselage nacelle only) d/d Stretton RDU 4.6.56 (received 6.6), to 894 Sqn at Yeovilton 17.12.56, to 766 Sqn at Merryfield 26.2.57, to DH at Christchurch 2.5.57 for fuel tank replacement, to Merryfield 22.5.57, to Ark Royal (via Lossiemouth) 29.5.57, returned to Merryfield 28.6.57 for 766 Sqn as '737', to RNAY Belfast 3.7.59 for modernisation, to 738 Sqn at Lossiemouth 1.6.60 (received 8.6.60) as '650/LM', to Abbotsinch AHU 22.9.60 as "R/T 716" and occasionally used by Stn Flt as "Navair 657", preserved 16.3.62 and eventually sold as scrap 19.12.62.


    All of this lot were noted in March '73. A fair few were in a very sorry state even then, I remember the Balliols and Provosts as being the most recogniseable, as they were in an area away from the main building. Most of the remainder were just in heaps, but the record breaking Swift was actually visible from the railway as I left for home - sheer good fortune that it remained at all really....funny people, scrapyard owners!!

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    Hi

    just stumbled across this one:

    http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=139384

    *sigh*

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    Ah! International Alloys - Aylesbury. One of the haunts of my youth.

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    Thanks for the Failsworth listing, Bograt, it's the most comprehensive I've ever seen.

    Pity there is no mention of a Shackleton on the list, as me and my pal pulled this early Shackleton panel out from under a pile of rubble, just as the yard was closing. It was almost bare, and the right hand half was missing altogether. British Aerospace at Chester made us a replacement as an apprentice project.

    I wish we could get an i.d. for the aircraft!
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    W&R3 (1968) said that Unimetal Ltd at Droylesden - aka Failsworth, aka Clayton Vale - had recently received Shackletons from Aldergrove...
    W&R4 mentions three Shackleton noses.
    By W&R6 (I don't have W&R5) it had changed to four noses, but after that no mention.
    At no time were any identities mentioned.

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    Thanks, Flood.

    I seem to remember seeing several Shackleton Mk. II nose sections (i.e. up to, but not including the cockpit) but our panel seems to be a Mk. I or maybe Mk. 4 type.
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    There is mention of Neptune MR.1s forward fuselage chunks in W&R most of the way through to the end - they could have looked fairly similar to the early Shack MR.1/T.4s, as I recall.

    Consulted my big boys book of Shackletons (Avros Maritime Heavyweight - The Shackleton by Chris Ashworth on Aston) but most of the individual entries end with the dread phrase Declared NEA and sold as scrap, usually with a 1963 date following and no forwarding location.
    You need to find someone who made notes of the new arrivals at Failsworth/etc and hasn't lost his notebooks in the intervening 40 years - good luck!

    Flood

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    Flood,

    There was a single early Lockheed Neptune MR 1 in International Alloys in the late 1950s. Just the windscreen, cockpit and top fuselage decking visible. It puzzled us for some time as to just what it was at the time.

    Mark

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