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    1980s Southend

    I have a truly vague memory from the late 1980s, before I was dragged kicking and screaming (that's a lie ) into the world of warbirds.

    I was at a wedding reception in Southend. So I guess I was at some kind of community hall. I went for a walk down what I vaguely remember to be a residential, or part-residential, road and I saw an aircraft along the roadside - highly visible from the street.

    I would like to know what I saw and what it was outside. Can anyone help?

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    Most probably the Blackburn Beverly that was the biggest thing outside and visible from everywhere. It was broken up and the cockpit section is in hanger 1 at DX.

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    Only went to Southend once and I dread to think when it was.
    Wasn't everything outside? I hadn't remembered it was a residential area, either.
    All I really remember is the very tatty looking DH Drover. T-33? Can't see how I can forget a Beverly but I have.

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    It was the Blackburn Beverley C1 XB261 at the now closed Historic Aircraft Museum in Aviation Way. They did have a Drover now at Lasham but no T33,

    There was a Meteor, Sea Hawk, J29, Javelin & Thunderstreak and 30 other aircraft.
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    Did any others survive? Thats a hell of a collection
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    Yes and lets not forget the Avro Lincoln which is sadly no more, Hawker Sea Fury (what did happen to that?), CASA 211, Fiat G46, B25 and quite a few more interesting aircraft and a nice hangar!

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    The Lincoln is still extant but dismantled at Sandtoft. She is certainly missing many bits but hasn't got to the stage where
    she isn't viable to rebuild.

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    Hawker Seafury at Southend.

    There were two - WJ288 and WJ244. The former is in the US I believe and the latter went to Spencer Flack via Mike Llewllyn to become the all Red G-FURY.

    Mark

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    Only ever remember one Fury at the museum, the bottom half was painted a curious blue colour if IRC. Engine was seized as well.

    I think there was a Spitfire on display there at one stage. I think I have still got the museum guide book somewhere.

    As for the Lincoln, well I know is technically possible to rebuild most aircraft if you throw enough money at them, however I think its highly unlikly that the remains of the Lincoln will ever be rebuilt.

    I have flown into Sandtoft quite a few times (good cafe btw), and only ever seen the remains of the wings.

    Would like to be proved wrong though

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    Joe,

    The Spitfire was the Bill Francis Mk XVI TB863.

    One Seafury was inside. The other, quite rough by the standards of the day, was kept outside.

    Mark
    Last edited by Mark12; 12th October 2003 at 17:52.

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    From the dim recesses of memory - Anson?

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    The Anson was XIX G-AGPG which is now in storage at Hooton
    Park.

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    The Sea Hawk XE364/XE489 ? travelled round a bit via Southampton, Jet Heritage at Bournemouth and is now at Peter Vallances collection close to Gatwick.

    The Meteor VZ638 also followed the same route and is also at the Gatwick Aviation Museum.

    The yellow Harvard is now at RAFM Hendon

    The B25 Mitchell is rotting away at North Weald.

    I'll probably think of a few mopre later. I visited there Nov 1980. I'll try and find my list and pictures.

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    Southend museum 2 Nov 1980

    Southend Museum 2 Nov 1980

    WJ288 Sea Fury To USA
    XL811 Skeeter To IHM Weston Super Mare
    XP165 Saro P531/SCout To IHM Weston Super Mare
    GANLW Westland Widgeon Now at Sywell via Tattershall Thorpe, Little Staughton, Wellingborough and Blackpool.
    42-12392/TA392 T6 RAFM Hendon
    XG425 Lightning Nose section Now at ATC Rayleigh, Essex
    XE364 Sea Hawk Gatwick Aviation Museum
    VZ638 Meteor Gatwick Aviation Museum
    XH768 Javelin Now at Cerbaiola Italy
    29640 Saab J-29 Midland Air Museum, Coventry
    XB261 Beverley. We all know the story of this one
    HD368 B25 North Weald
    G-29-1 Lincoln Dismantled at Sandtoft via North Weald
    VH-FDT DH Drover SWAAPS Museum, Lasham
    XK625 Vampire, Now at Brenzett, Kent via Firbeck and North Weald

    I also have the follwing listed but have not yet found their current wherabouts.
    GADXS Pou De Ciel
    GACIT DH84 Dragon
    GANDE Tiger Moth
    NP303/GANZJ Percival Proctor
    11064 Fiesler Storch
    GAXPG Mignet HM.293
    GAWIW Stampe Rothmans colours
    GAWHB Casa 211
    FU-6 Sabre
    MM53211 Fiat G46
    GAGPG Avro Anson
    WV483 Provost
    GAVHE Viscount BMA To Air Classic at Dusseldorf then ???

    Any help with the others would be appreciated. Attached below is a picture of the Viscount in BMA colours.

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    July 1983 Flypast

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    Re: Blackburn Beverley, Southend.

    Instruments in cockpit
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    Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy.

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    Navigators instruments.
    Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy.

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    Inside cargo area looking forward.
    Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy.

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    Looking out of the starboard cockpit window with the booms of the Vampire visable.
    Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy.

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    Two more aircraft from the collection.

    Lincoln B2 RF 342 - GAPRJ.

    Pou-Du-Ciel G-ADXS.
    Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy.

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    Thank you Alexis and Old Fart. I wish I had taken a picture of it back then.

    ... and, Alexis, (unless there was another A. Lambert in a flying jacket at Duxford today) - Great Knees! I bet you were cold.

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    Originally posted by Janie


    ... and, Alexis, (unless there was another A. Lambert in a flying jacket at Duxford today) - Great Knees! I bet you were cold.
    And people say I shouldn't be let out alone, at least I remember to put my trousers on when I go out

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    I'm trying to work out when it was I visited Southend.
    Fairly confident it was with my parents rather than my own transport, and I wasn't still an anklebiter, (actually I deny ever being an anklebiter or rugrat), which would make it late 60s or very early 70s.
    When did it open?

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    The Museum was opened by Air Marshal Sir Harry Burton KCB, CBE, DSO, RAF who at the time was Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of Air Support Command on Friday 26th May 1972, it closed its doors on 27th March 1982 with the auction held on 10th May 1983.



    GADXS Pou De Ciel---SHOREHAM.
    GACIT DH84 Dragon---SCIENCE MUSEUM WROUGHTON
    GANDE Tiger Moth---
    NP303/GANZJ Percival Proctor---A HILLYARD;
    11064 Fiesler Storch---FLORIDA, USA
    GAXPG Mignet HM.293---
    GAWIW Stampe Rothmans colours---PT FLIGHT COSFORD
    GAWHB Casa 211---SOLD BY ACES 2003 TO US BASED COLLECTER
    FU-6 Sabre---did they have one don’t remember it?
    MM53211 Fiat G46---FRANCE
    WV483 Provost---LAST NOTED P McCAGIE 1986
    GAVHE Viscount BMA To Air Classic at Dusseldorf then ???---STUTTGART
    WJ288/G-SALY Sea Fury FB11---FLYING IN USA
    WJ244/G-FURY Sea Fury---PARTS AT COLCHERSTER

    Also these that were due to join the museum or joined but never officialy displayed.


    V1 London war museum
    G-AIUL DH89 Dragon Rapide---WALES
    XD527 DH115 Vampire---BURNT OUT AND SCRAPPED 11-87 MANSTON
    FK338/G-AJOZ Argos---WOODHALL SPA
    G-AVKE Gadfly---WESTON HELI MUSEUM
    EJ922 Typhoon (cockpit)---MANSTON MUSEUM
    G-ADGP Hawk Speed Six---SHUTTLEWORTH
    G-AKGD Gemini---MILES COLLECTION
    VR259/G-APJB Prentice---AIR ATLANTIQE FLIGHT
    NP339/G-AOBW Proctor---WINGS TO NP303, REST SCRAPPED?
    G-BONE/ P.2-05---CHELTENHAM
    WK275 Swift---HEREFORD
    VL246/G-APOP Viking (fuse)---SCRAPPED AFTER NEVER BEEING COLLECTED
    WG670 Dragonfly---SCRAPPED 1977



    I am presently trying to put together a booklet type thing on the museum, I have been reseaching it for what seems like a lifetime, I have a list of all the aircraft displayed and what happened to them a couple of photos and a few odds and sods.
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    Yes Janie that was me, you should have pointed yourself out though. Oh and i'm a shorts all year round kind a guy!

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    The Viscount was not a British Midland machine when it was retired and broken up with the cockpit going to the museum the aircraft was actually a Channel Express aircraft from what I know it had never been with BM the museum just painted it that colour!


    The sabre was infact an F84 Thunderstreak now in deep store at Cosford.

    Spitfire TB863 is flying in New Zealand (Tim Wallis Alpine Fighter Collection)

    Mignet HM293 G-AXPG---KENT
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    A number of the machines i.e Proctor,CASA 2-111 and Harvard were bought initially by Paul Raymond for his London War Museum project.
    The Proctor was bought by Trent Aero but was found to be in a poor state. They sold it on for restoration and display at Kenley
    but it ended up being burnt .The Casa in stored in Norfolk for her
    U.S owner.
    All in all looking at the present state of some of the airframes,
    the sale was a total disaster for U.K preservation.

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    The sabre was infact an F84 Thunderstreak now in deep store at Cosford.
    Was it not the one which was restored by the Medway Aircraft Preservation Society in Thunderbirds colours?

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    Yes -the F-84F was a gift to the nation from the BAF and unfortunately ended up with the RAFM stored on a trailer
    with a tarpaulin over it at Cosford.

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    You mention G-FURY parts at Colchester. How much of that airframe survives and what is it's future? Possible rebuild to fly?

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