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Thread: Miss Velma P51 Landed in cornfield at Flying Legends

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    Is the engine dead ? Appears to have still had some power to bend the blades that much

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    Oh, okay. Just going on a previous comment that said it wasn't making any noise and prop was windmilling.
    Maybe it was loss of power rather then no power.

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    Apparently you can't feather the prop on a Mustang. I just found an old thread on it.

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    What an incredible display of pilot skills. Engine failure in any single-engine aircraft at low altitude is serious, but to get a fast and heavy aircraft down in this fashion and to be able to walk away from it is fantastic. Moreover, the "system" worked in the sense that no spectators where injured.

    I really can't be bothered about the aircraft being repairable or not.

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    You can feather the prop on Precious Metal ....
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    "Appears to have still had some power to bend the blades that much"

    When propeller blades bend back over the cowls that indicates no power. Under power, hitting the ground the blades are bent forward.
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    Interesting that plenty of wartime Mustang crash pictures show props wrapped around the cowls . I can only suggest these are last minute power chops as I cannot imagine they were all glided in .

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    Do we know the Pilot's initials yet ?

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    Poor old Miss Velma. Seems the lorry taking her back to Duxford got stuck between a signpost and her wing.
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    Poor old Miss Velma. Seems the lorry taking her back to Duxford got stuck between a signpost and her wing.
    There's a thing called a tape measure........old fashioned I know, but they can be quite handy for say, measuring stuff.......
    I was with it all the way until letting the brakes off..........

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    Well she isn't the first Mustang to return to Duxford on a low loader.
    I seem to recall Candyman Moose returning in a similar fashion many years ago.

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    The bloke at left scratching his head is simply priceless, though!
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    Yeah but it's 'fake' news! The aircraft isn't stuck - the move clearly was in the aircraft's interest unless the people on Twitter who questioned the move permit were prepared to stand guard !

    The survival of the pilot and saving of the machine is the only story - moving it back to Duxford is trivial in comparison.

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    Did hear the pilots name mentioned on Sunday but cannot remember it, not a name I've heard before and somebody said it was his first display in that aircraft ( don't quote me ), either way his pilot skills are clearly way up there with the rest of them .
    It's quite reassuring really, in most of the warbirds accidents or flight problems over the last few years Buchon at headcorn , Sea fury at Culdrose, Gladiator recently, Sea Vixen , and now this , the pilots have made a great job of a potentially nasty situation, keep it up people .

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    The aircraft`s rate of descent following an engine failure can be reduced by pulling the prop control back into `fully coarse`/minimum RPM,assuming there is still oil pressure from a windmilling prop.If there is an oil pressure failure then the prop will move to `fine pitch/high-drag` condition,which is what it looks like,but could also have been due to impact forces on ground contact.An oil pressure failure is likely to lead to a seizure`generally` depending `where` the failure occurred,but could be mitigated by using the `pre-oiler` pump,assuming one is fitted.

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    Who cares about harassed school run mums/white van men/company reps, this is by far the quickest and cheapest way of getting her back home !

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    What's the deal with the big crane the other side of the big hangar?
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    Something to do with the Air Space hangar itself I believe.



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    I believe I heard on Saturday that the pilot of Miss Velma's surname was either Nevy or Levy, sorry, can't remember which. Either way, good to see him without a scratch on him and that the safety precautions worked as they're designed to. It's amazing what a difference it makes when you see the aircraft back on its wheels again - thought the same with the Sea Vixen. Good luck to the owner - hope the damage isn't too serious.
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    I bet most of those who see the transportation of Miss Velma back to DX would not of known of the off field landing or what type of aeroplane it was!
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-c...shire-40553792

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    Some more recovery footage.


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    Bet the transport company and Police really appreciated numerous people using it as a spectator event !
    It hardly adds to the notion that the forum promotes historic aviation!

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    Easy to see how the starboard wing took the brunt of the initial damage as it appears the touch down was slightly starboard wing down.
    Even so I'm still amazed at how little damage appears to of been sustained!


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    Welch’s Specialist Movements in St Ives was called in to recover the plane - but they got stuck at the lights because the wingspan of the aircraft was about a metre wider than the space between the traffic signals.

    Julie Payne, the company’s operations manager, praised her staff for successfully completing the delicate operation to move the historic aircraft.

    She said: “We left the field at 3pm, got to the traffic lights at 3.15pm then through the lights at 4.15pm and she arrived home safe at 4.30pm.

    “The lights were 8.9m wide and wing span was 9.6m wide, our guys had walked and driven the route prior to moving, after many discussions we were given the go ahead by Cambridgeshire Police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxcart
    Apparently you can't feather the prop on a Mustang. I just found an old thread on it.
    On 98% of single engined aircraft the prop can't be feathered, usually the hub is designed to move to full fine when oil pressure is lost (so that it is ready for a go-around). This may be different on older props though.

    The two exceptions I know of are Precious Metal (as already mentioned) and Seafire 47 VP441. Both use an ex-Shackleton Griffon and prop and as that had a feathering option available anyway it was left operational. You have to keep in mind that a prop that is able to feather is just one more thing that can go wrong.
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    Not much chance of a go-around with no oil pressure I would have thought? Must be another reason for it being set that way? most probably due to if it fails it fails in the safer option?

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    Re #56: I would think the damage to the starboard wing is mostly from taking out the fence posts at the edge of the field?

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