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    One for the ID experts.

    Here's what I know:
    That's the old ANG ramp at Van Nuys looking East. Those are 146th MAW C-97's. 2nd P51 from the bottom is Clay Lacys, that *may* be Corky Fornofs Bearcat between it & the 2 T6's. Looks like a C141 StarLifter next to the 707(?)

    edit: Bottom P51 looks like Miss America.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX61 View Post
    Here's what I know:
    That's the old ANG ramp at Van Nuys looking East. Those are 146th MAW C-97's. 2nd P51 from the bottom is Clay Lacys, that *may* be Corky Fornofs Bearcat between it & the 2 T6's. Looks like a C141 StarLifter next to the 707]
    Super guppy, FAA DC-3, a Staggerwing.

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    Between the C119 & 707 is a Phantom & another looks like an F5/T38. Douglas A4 next to the Phantom?
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    There are a couple of Staggerwings, several Stinsons, including Reliants . There's a Tigermoth or Moth, (sandwiched in between a Parks? and I think an Aeronca). There's Waco UP-7, In the lineup with the Learjet are a couple of Cherokees.

    Pity it's not higher resolution.

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    T33/P80 between the A4 & T38/F5?
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    I'm pretty certain that the 51 in the bottom of the photo is the first Mustang Pilots Club aircraft, 44-74950 N511D in the colors it wore in the late 60s. Both of Fornof's F8Fs had a cheat line which was darker than the fuselage, so I will make a guess and say that the aircraft is John Church's N148F.

    I did find a larger version of the photo by use of Google, but it doesn't help in trying to identify the plain Mustang next to the T-6s which most likely are Condor Squadron aircraft from when they had a similar "uniform". The website does mention that the photo is from the 1969 Air Progress Show program which does mean the photo is slightly older.
    http://museumsanfernandovalley.blogs...-van-nuys.html

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    TEMCO Pinto.

    And the 'Super Guppy' is a Mini Guppy.

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    and a Helio Courier lurking underneath the C119.

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    Nice aerial photo. Perhaps 1962-1964.
    Looks like no sweptback on the Moth, therefore a Gipsy Moth. Active at Van Nuys at the time was N1510V & NC916M amoung others.
    With the ANG C-97's, On Mark Eng with the Guppy & B-27K's and the local warbird scene it was always interesting. On Mark had their hanger just below the old tower outside of the photo.
    On Mark always displayed their a/c the the local airshows and since there is no B-26K in the photo I suggest this photo was before 1964.
    On the other side of the runway Lockheed had their hangers with the development of their rigid rotor helicopters.The first XH-51 is seen in the lower left of the photo, suggesting the photo was 1962 or later.
    Four of my photos, one of the Mustang Flying Clubs N511D, SNJ/T-6 N9525C, Mustang N182X and DH60 Moth NC916M. Taken at various locations in Southern California.

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    Think the helicopter might be a Lockheed XH-51.

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    C-141 deliveries didn't start until 1965 so must be post then unless it was a prototype.
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    Other choppers are there apart from XH-51 between the main collection of aircraft and the Cessnas (other GA types are available) to the left.
    Closest is a Hughes TH-55 I think. The other two, not so sure at all. The middle one is very sleek, could almost be the other XH-51A? It doesn't look at all like a Huey. The last (left of the C-141) is very small and flimsy. I keep thinking Hiller for some reason.

    Would that be a Sikorsky S-61/H-53 in front of the 707?

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    Think the middle helicopter is a Jetranger. One by the C-141 appears to be on floats. Closest I think is a Hiller UH-12. There is a Culver Cadet and a PT-22 in the group opposite the F-106. Possibly a PT-23 as well.

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    To Good Vibs: The photo must be shot after 1962-64 timeframe as your own image of N511D shows it still having the White/ Yellow paint job in 1965. The White/ Blue scheme came later.

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    If the Bearcat is as I think N148F in the Black/ Gold scheme while owned by John Church, the photo is shot between 1967 or early 1969.

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    And by that time the B-26Ks would all have been delivered to the AF.

    Nice avatar by the way!

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    The link posted by TJ dates it to '69.
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    Thanks for the compliment. My avatar is of 44-34624 N6101C. My photo from April 1965. It was doing engine checks before take off.

    Yes, the photo of N511D in the later color scheme would put the airshow photo at a later date than mine of the Mustang during 1965.

    On the left it looks like they are doing helicopter sight seeing flights.
    The lowest is a Hiller 12, notice the diagonal drive shaft.
    The middle one looks like a Bell 206 Jet Ranger. Very new at the time 1966-1967.
    The top one does look like a Bell47 on floats. There was one flying around the LA area at the time. I had a flight in it myself at a different airshow at Van Nuys.
    Perhaps the empty space is for the fourth helicopter, from which the photo was taken?

    Below the 707 is perhaps a Cessna L-19 Bird Dog and a Sikorsky H-19/S55 helicopter.

    Did the Air Progress Show 1969 brochure use an aerial photo from a previous year, ie 1968?

    Two more of my photos.
    One of Staggerwing NC80317, perhaps the one with its back to the Gipsy Moth. There were several in the LA area at the time.
    And of a Ryan PT-22 N56017. One is near the middle of the photo. There were several in the LA area at the time.

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    C-119 looks like it might be ANG by the livery.
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    That not an F-106, it's a 102.

    And yes, the C-119 sports the round ANG insignia on the tail. By that late date, few - if any - (aside from the gunships in Vietnam) active duty units flew them.

    And to offer a minor correction to post 12...The Sikorsky S-61 was the H-3 series. The S-65 was the H-53.

    About the helicopter at the front of the Boeing...Judging by its size in comparison to the nearby F-5 and automobiles, I believe it to be a S-55/H-19. It simply too small to be a H-53, and possibly too small to be a H-3.
    I believe what we see is the H-19s fuselage to tail boom fairing rather than the angled rear loading ramp of the S-61R/H-3C/E. Depending on the time frame, the photo might be too early for that version of the H-3 family. Also, if one was available, it would be in the USAF green/tan camouflage scheme, not an all over dark scheme as the photo seems to suggest.
    The USN did not operate that variant of the H-3 family, so it would not have worn the USN dark blue scheme of the early-mid 60s. By the late 60s, Navy H-3s had gone to the gray & white scheme familiar to anyone who has seen film of the recovery of the Apollo astronauts.
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    That not an F-106, it's a 102.
    Always get those two muddled up! Agree that's an H-19. There's what might be another helicopter to the left of the C-141's tail which looks quite big. Almost like an S-76, though obviously not because of the date. AH-1 maybe? Or too big for that?

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    All good comments & an interesting thread. Thanks.

    F-106 & 102...easy. The 102 has a pointed fin.

    When did the On Mark Guppy receive the Aero Spacelines markings?

    I suspect the 707 is actually a USAF C-135.
    The ANG Unit at Van Nuys always had loads of support for public relations.

    The Temco Pinto, since its parked next to the Lear Jet could be the civilian Super Pinto which first flew in June 1968.

    The aircraft(?) parked on the pad, between the runway and taxiway looks about the size of the H-19/S55. The pad has a large white X painted on it so its not an active helipad.
    If its a helicopter....
    The US Army was busy with their Cobras elsewhere and it would be painted OD, so I suspect not. The S76 & Agusta 109 came much later.
    Los Angeles Airways was flying Sikorsky S-61L's and they were silver in color.
    Briles & Wing was a helicopter operator in Van Nuys using a yellow Vertol H-21 Flying Banane.

    Maybe its just a parked aircraft fuselage to make room for the airshow?

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    Couldn't be the Lockheed Cheyenne could it?

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    Time wise yes, but the Cheyenne would be in OD like other US Army a/c. Plus I think the Cheyenne would look slimmer.

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    The aircraft between the two Beech Staggerwings could be this 1936 Rearwin 8500 Sportster N15855.
    My 1963 photo of it while at Whiteman Air Park Airport near Van Nuys.
    Who can not notice the two interesting aircraft in the background. The DH FBVI Mosquito is PZ474 N9909F. It suffered a sad life.
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