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    no. i reckon your ability to distinguish colors is like your ability to spell. pretty bad.

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    I like the new scheme, they're onto something there. Although, like haavarla, I'd prefer the "resolution" to be higher.

    EO installations appear to be complete (pending confirmation of the fore/aft EODASski's being present, which you can't tell from the photos available), but I'm not seeing any serrations on the nozzles?
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    The 509's colors are light blue and dark blue-gray.

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    Full sensor suit, interesting:

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Same pics in higher res:



    Last edited by TR1; 13th May 2017 at 03:19.
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    This new camo looks pretty awful. I just wish they can use the current Su-35 blue camo, I think that would look really good.

    I don't see any nozzle serrations though. We're close to the first serial T-50 and I'm a bit concerned that there's still no F-35 style nozzle on it. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong? No signs of the SRAAM bays being changed though, so perhaps that rumor is unfounded. Of course, it's possible that the change is something on the inside rather than outside.

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    Yeah, a somewhat more subdued colour for the lighter areas would be nice, but the appeal is strongly affected by lighting conditions - in Deino's photo it looks good.

    I always expected we'd see a nozzle change only with the definitive engine, so I'm not too concerned about that. In fact, with the power plant being the long pole in the tent, the apparent hurry with the airframe baffles me somewhat (same with the J-20, actually). What's the rush that necessitates 9 prototypes before the final engine is even ready? I mean, if one of the most important aspects of the project drives the schedule, why not take the opportunity to keep polishing the rest until everything comes together?

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    That is the ugliest camo I have ever seen. Applied to an attractive aircraft like T-50 it is basically vandalism.

    055 gets my vote.

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    The cladding on the underside is more refined. I wonder if the nay sayers will notice


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    The 509's colors are light blue and dark blue-gray.
    exactly. Those who think its a white-green bs should go back to their country and enjoy their f-35s
    and let the real chavs here enjoy their new splinter zig zag engined pakky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    exactly. Those who think its a white-green bs should go back to their country and enjoy their f-35s
    and let the real chavs here enjoy their new splinter zig zag engined pakky.
    The Color fettish strikes back

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    f-35 fan counters color fetish with another display of dyslexic spelling

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    I like the splinter one more than the shark job

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla
    f-35 fan counters color fetish with another display of dyslexic spelling
    I would hardly call haavara an F-35 fan, and what with the colors arguments all of sudden?

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    if you click the data button on that thread, Harvey is one of the top posters in the f-35 thread
    he has so much love for it.

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    Couple more:



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    Splinter camo ? more like digital salamander

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    First flight dates:
    T-50-1 - January 29, 2010

    T-50-2 - March 3, 2011

    T-50-3 - November 22, 2011

    T-50-4 - 12 December 2012

    T-50-5 - October 27, 2013, T-50-5R - October 16, 2015

    T-50-6-2 - April 27, 2016

    T-50-8 - 17 November 2016

    T-50-9 - 24 April 2017
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/6975/
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    @Trident,
    PAK-FA is already late in schedule so it happen that the prototype with izdelje 30 would be ready for trial before the serial production of the initial operative version would begin.
    in any case, the actual engine is an hoc version of the same powering the Su-35 so it would grant in the worst case the same, impressive, performances of such bird.

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    @ Austin
    So the greater gap is the one derived by the T-50-5 incident, for the rest one or two prototypes every year.

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    Not just the incident, that was the time IIRC the internal cracking needed some serious reworking.



    And an older image:

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    I think the F-22 also run onto cracks problems quite late in the program. You need time to locate and address such issues, find a fix and improve the next prototype.
    PS. TR1 beat me to it..

    Have they reworked the mesh under airduct on 509, perhaps the side mesh as well??

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    Probably an optical illusion, but it looks like the aft main W-bay is a little wider..
    Last edited by haavarla; 13th May 2017 at 18:38.
    Thanks

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    @ Haavarla

    Have they reworked the mesh under airduct on 509, perhaps the side mesh as well??
    Yeah, the side-meshes have been made smaller and into a diamond shape and the ones under the ducts have turned from shutters into a standard mesh it seems. Smaller and squared.

    Probably an optical illusion, but it looks like the aft main W-bay is a little wider..
    Just an illusion because of the engines + duct going to the sides a bit, making it appear as if the aft-bay is wider. Any significant changes in the airframe wont happen anymore this late in the program.

    Also, i demand a fully white T50. Fully white do you hear me!?

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    I think an all black one would be slick


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    Not just the incident, that was the time IIRC the internal cracking needed some serious reworking.
    So in the end, they were quite lucky than the three main developmental problems AFAIK i.e. the crackings, the incident and the Indian request for further development of the concept have emerged all at about the same time instead than separately.
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    @ XTX-Horus
    Also, i demand a fully white T50. Fully white do you hear me!?
    The institution of the Artic Command would help a lot about it.
    Given that it would be based mainly on the North Fleet, let's however expect the Saint Andrew's cross on it, not the Red Star.
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    Also, i demand a fully white T50. Fully white do you hear me!?
    we're not the only one, Its the majority

    the closest we'll ever get to seeing that are



    although this one in Malaysian colors is interesting, and maybe viable one day


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellogo View Post
    @ XTX-Horus

    The institution of the Artic Command would help a lot about it.
    Given that it would be based mainly on the North Fleet, let's however expect the Saint Andrew's cross on it, not the Red Star.
    Idk.. we have the White Swan. But i don't think sporting white fighters in Artic region is any good idea. Good camo when the birds are on the ground, but in the Sky?

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    derp


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    And when you need to relocate the fighters? Besides, while the winter is long and brutal North of polar circle, you get summer climat there as well. Russia do not have Airbases that is that far North where there is Artic climat 12 month on a regular basis. They do shorter relocation only.

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