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    Which missiles are those then? K-74M2?
    No, it has been good old R-73 in Syria, people got confused by the laser-fuse IIRC.


    As for equal-co developers, come on, it is clear this is nothing but wishful thinking right now. The only thing that will be co-developed is whatever systems India wishes to try its domestic hand on, there is no-co development on....anything to date, and there is only so much they are going to domesticate within a reasonable time frame.
    Realistically money will be spent on the significant investment needed to set up a production line in India without relying on Russian components for the entirety of the next decade, and integration of some domestic subsystems.

    Also, it won't be doing anything to timelines IMO. PAK-FA was delayed by internal structure rework, it hasn't been slowed by money starvation and in any case Izd 30 and other critical components have their own timetable to complete.
    Will be nice for long term component costs though, assuming they accomplish little difference between VKS and IAF variants.
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    so the conclusion of what you are stating is FGFA is basic pakfa airframe,engine and radar plus whatever substyems India can manufacture and the dumped down version of that product would be the FGFA-E as per profit sharing agreement between russia and India

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    That would be my take as well. India can't get equalizer right on engines, radar or even the PakFa airframe-wise

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    so Haavarla TR1 has come up with a credible definition of what constitutes the FGFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkvd View Post
    so Haavarla TR1 has come up with a credible definition of what constitutes the FGFA
    It mean India will get equal rights on whatever the contracts including..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkvd
    correction R77-1 on su35 i think was ARH not IIR maybe someone can shade light on this
    Yep, that was Izd.170-1, also known as RVV-SD, which is an ARH missile of AIM-120C class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan
    MSphere - Are the Russians using IIR seekers in R-73s now?
    No. They use the old MK-80s.

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    Which missiles are those then? K-74M2?
    yes, Izd. 760 (K-74M2), a.k.a. RVV-MD.. but they are not in series yet and logically could not have been spotted in Syria..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    No. They use the old MK-80s.

    yes, Izd. 760 (K-74M2), a.k.a. RVV-MD.. but they are not in series yet and logically could not have been spotted in Syria..
    Each weopon system on ktrv page is operational on atleast three platforms . Kh-38 is now described as long range weopon.

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    so the conclusion of what you are stating is FGFA is basic pakfa airframe,engine and radar plus whatever substyems India can manufacture and the dumped down version of that product would be the FGFA-E as per profit sharing agreement between russia and India
    I don't think they will be in a position to have excess capacity to export any "FGFAs" for another decade.
    The only profit sharing that could come out is if:
    1.) Russia decided to source some components to India, or in the very unlikely case it buys a full subsystem. I have not read anything on that front to speculate on the likeliness. Maybe for export there are air frame components that India could produce at a more competitive price.
    2.) An export customer decides to source some Indian system that is already serially produced for IAF birds.

    I suspected from the very start of the project that FGFA would be a gradually-more-and-more wholly produced in India T-50, with whatever components (IFF, RWR maybe, etc) India decides it wants to substitute.
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    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    ^More paint/ram on the engines underneath

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    Which one is RAM now? the blueish one or the plain white?

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    This is supposedly T-50-9, shot in Komsomolsk from quite a distance:



    Not much can be glanced from that except the obvious, that weirdass "digital splinter" camouflage (reminds me of the Ukrainian Air Force, actually), the live sensor suite (at least no dud OLS etc) and that it lacks the new landing gear doors retrofitted to 51 a while ago (the ones with more serrations).
    Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 9th May 2017 at 10:21.

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    So according to the caption they have chosen the 9th of May to show the picture or is just a lucky coincidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellogo
    So according to the caption they have chosen the 9th of May to show the picture or is just a lucky coincidence?
    May 9th is a big deal over there, so the (clearly amateur) photographer might have held onto this until today, just for the whole May 9th thing.

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    so no air display today perhaps next time we see new pics of pakfa will be at MAKS 17

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    2013:

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    Where did you find that pic DrSnuff ? (PakFa splinter)

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    ^ KGB

    How come you dont know from where this pic was taken ?

    I had always known that the KGB was the all knowing,all seeing organ of the state.

    Btwn,this new splinter camo looks good. Pity the Aggressors at Nellis AFB have to once again repaint their F-5E to mimic the T-50.

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    damn, that's a good looking camouflage. 55 and 59, can't decide. I dont know why but the other grey ones are ugly, even though they're similar to 55. maybe it's the lack of gradiation in the colors.

    the Pakfa, along with the ka-52 are certainly the best looking post-soviet Russian aircraft thus far.

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    Just for interest- A Chinese paper re. aircraft and stealth- the model they use looks awful similar to PAK-FA.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4l...FoN1BBZ28/view

    59 Splinter looks terrible, IDK what you guys are seeing. If they want to dick around with variety, why not something entirely new for the whole bird, like a +10 to stealth black matte?
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    If that digital splinter camo is done in the green'ish teal(instead of white) color, then i'm gonna be dispointed.. you hear that Sukhoi!?

    As of yet, my money is still on the Pre 55 camo.
    Last edited by haavarla; 10th May 2017 at 08:47.
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    It does have the new gear doors. Also, are those serrations around the nozzles?
    Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 12th May 2017 at 12:15.

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    yes you are right, at least one part of the engine seems serrated. but you figure that would usually appear where the fueselage nacelles meet the engine.

    anyone want to see this entire plane in the white scheme?

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    If they wanted the plinter camo, then they should at least made it a higher resolution splinter camo.. i do not approve! And that terrible White-Green'ish color.. and 509 bort number..?
    Send it back for re-paint, DAWAI DAWAI!!

    Anyway, nice to see a new bird
    Last edited by haavarla; 12th May 2017 at 13:44.
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    Look so much better than the first prototype

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    that aint no white-green. more like white-teal

    you want green

    this is green



    and yes 59 is good looking. but 2nd to 55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    that aint no white-green. more like white-teal

    you want green

    this is green



    and yes 59 is good looking. but 2nd to 55.
    Screw that. When i say white-green, everyone sees it.
    There is many different shades of Teal too.. lets not get onto the whole Color debate again.. its booooring!

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    no. i reckon your ability to distinguish colors is like your ability to spell. pretty bad.

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