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    TR1 and Scar great photos and videos (especially the PAK-FA videos )

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    Yeah, this dog-fight imitation looks very impressive - i'm sure, MAKS visitors will like this part of the show the most.

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    Absolutely, and I think that this is the first video in the world where we can see the use of post-stall maneuverability in WVR combat simulation.

    In this particular situation they wanted to show how you can get from defensive to offensive position, and just how easy you can turn inside of your opponent and how to manage to keep your energy at high level at the end of the maneuver and still stay at "bad guys" 6 o'clock.

    I really hope we will see this at MAKS 2017!

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    time to send them to Syria to target practice shooting the Toyota technicals.nice pics and vids guys
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    And a Su-30SM for good measure:

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    My favorite angle of the T-50 (also, removal of optics/defensive systems from 09?)



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    Indeed.









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    Mesmerising .

    Isnt Bort 509 supposed to have the RAM treatment ? From these close up pics, the in flush rivetting arent treated and there isnt a RAM layer on each and every portion of the surface .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arihant
    Mesmerising .

    Isnt Bort 509 supposed to have the RAM treatment ? From these close up pics, the in flush rivetting arent treated and there isnt a RAM layer on each and every portion of the surface .
    I don't think there is any RAM on that plane to be honest.

    Not only that but the panels on the heat exchangers on the rear of the canopy are very very badly fitted and aligned.

    ====Please don't start a war, I know ...I know, I am just noticing what's on the photo, OK? ======
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    Yep, I concur.. no RAM or very little of that..

    Regd. the heat exchanger panels, there is only as much as you can do with the precision of the fitment, I suppose.. The rest is normally handled by RAM which covers it all up..
    Those RAM-less F-22As stationed at Kogalniceanu airport didn't look much better than this, to be honest..

    Last edited by MSphere; 19th July 2017 at 11:32.

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    T-50-9 has the same RAM coverage as T-50-6-2 and T-50-8. The border isn't as clearly visible here:

    As it is on this picture of T-50-6-2 (and T-50-1):


    But it is visible nonetheless.

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    we still have no picture of the 09 taken from the top/above.perhaps someone could post it if there is one.
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    Just checking in if the T-50 has opened its weapons bay. One of these days it's going to happen, right..? Okele dokele I'll be back in two weeks.

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    Great photo. 052 is wearing its age well. But you can see how far they have come with refinement in the later models.

    What would be great to know is how many flights each version has done up to know. We had a rough guide 2 years ago, but that was long ago, with extra birds and more flights happening, i wonder if any information will come out about this.

    If anyone is at Maks with some contacts be good to get a rough estimate from somebody.

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    And some people still believe the T-50 is only mach 2 max speed or somehow slower than F-22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard
    And some people still believe the T-50 is only mach 2 max speed or somehow slower than F-22.
    I am not sure I understand your point! You think it's faster that the F-22 because it looks faster? Do you know it is faster? Do you know it is a higher than Mach 2 fighter? or even 1.9? We simply have no information about that. And besides, the top speed of a fighter depends on a lot more than its shape.

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    It's Mach 2 capable, we know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard
    And some people still believe the T-50 is only mach 2 max speed or somehow slower than F-22
    Top speed ~M2.2


    Top speed ~M1.3


    The most notable difference is the deletion of actuators for variable intake vanes.. So much regd. speed vs. looks..
    Last edited by MSphere; 23rd July 2017 at 23:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard
    And some people still believe the T-50 is only mach 2 max speed or somehow slower than F-22.
    When it come to speed, there are more than meet the eye
    Bell X-2 top speed Mach 3.2


    Bell X-1A top speed Mach 2.44


    F-102 top speed Mach 1.25

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1
    It's Mach 2 capable, we know that.
    With all due respect, there's a lot we don't know. Russian speaking members have done their best to sift through unreliable and reliable information over the years, but for us non Russian speaking readers, it is very difficult to discern between reliable information and not.

    There are very few announcements on the program (perhaps rightly so) about hitting or missing milestones, and from what I remember, some times when an announcement is made, it depends on who made it!

    so.. mach 2? maybe, RAM? maybe? Indian Version, maybe, everything else ..maybe.. just a generic maybe so far.

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