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    The Chino guys need your help now! Urgent!

    Yanks Air Museum is suing to stop the airshow...

    https://www.change.org/p/planes-of-f...p-our-air-show
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    More accurately (at least according to PoF) the lawsuit was brought by, "Yanks Air Museum, Flying Tigers Aviation, SOCAL MRO, and Zangeneh Aeronautics". The website is short of detail, other than saying it's because of the impact on local businesses.

    Does anyone have any impartial detail on the reasons?

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    It seems an odd effort to stop a lawsuit by a petition...which has no legal standing.
    If it were a government decision to stop an air show a petition might make sense by showing public opposition to the decision makers/bureaucrats, but a lawsuit is a different matter.
    Presumably whoever initiates a lawsuit doesn't care about alienating people who disagree over the matter, so I'm not sure how a petition would affect anything.

    Odd...as is why an aviation museum would have issues with an event that brings people to the airport.
    It's been many years, but my experiences at the Tanks facility were very good. A open, welcoming group.
    Last edited by J Boyle; 1st April 2017 at 05:33.
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    1st April.
    "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney…"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark12 View Post
    1st April.
    Not very funny though - more likely to nurture animosity than a laugh surely? PoF also firmly state that it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Boyle View Post
    It seems an odd effort to stop a lawsuit by a petition...which has no legal standing.
    If it were a government decision to stop an air show a petition might make sense by showing public opposition to the decision makers/bureaucrats, but a lawsuit is a different matter.
    Presumably whoever initiates a lawsuit doesn't care about alienating people who disagree over the matter, so I'm not sure how a petition would affect anything.

    Odd...as is why an aviation museum would have issues with an event that brings people to the airport.
    It's been many years, but my experiences at the Tanks facility were very good. A open, welcoming group.
    I assume the petition is so POF can show how much support the airshow has.

    Yanks Facebook page is getting lit up.
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    See
    http://openaccess.sb-court.org/OpenA...setype=CIV&dsn

    Yes, that is part of the official San Bernardino court at
    http://sb-court.org .

    I think those legal government folks are not joking....

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...ec&oe=595A249D
    is a screen print of that file.
    http://airnieuws.nl Thai Navy Aviation Museum and Fokker aircraft (photo) updates per 20 April 2017...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark12 View Post
    1st April.
    I suppose the scanned document at Dropbox at
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6crfjlsut...71299.pdf?dl=0
    says it all.

    You only really do need to read the first thirty pages of this PDF-file.

    It looks like some people have an axe to grind with Planes of Fame.

    Facebook'ers amongst you may want to leave comment(s) at the Facebookpages of the sueing parties at
    https://www.facebook.com/pg/YanksAir...=page_internal
    /
    https://www.facebook.com/YanksAirMuseum/

    and the FBO/ Fixed Base Operator that supposedly supports historic aviation :
    https://www.facebook.com/FlyingTigersAviation/
    /
    https://www.facebook.com/pg/FlyingTi...=page_internal
    Last edited by Stratofreighter; 1st April 2017 at 10:47.
    http://airnieuws.nl Thai Navy Aviation Museum and Fokker aircraft (photo) updates per 20 April 2017...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratofreighter View Post
    I suppose the scanned document at Dropbox at
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6crfjlsut...71299.pdf?dl=0
    says it all.
    Hard to believe the first few pages came from a serious attorney/legal professional. A lot of prejudicial and biased statements in there and a few typos too. On that basis alone I'd bet on it being thrown out. Let's hope so. Not sure about the other businesses, but I'd think that Yanks will suffer some backlash.

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    Reading through the compaint throws up several examples of outright fiction. They claim that airport tenants are caught up in traffic backed up for miles during the airshow. Truth is that the tenants get to use a separate gate & don't face any traffic at all. I've used that gate during the show several times & there is absolutely no delay in getting into the airport. In fact it's actually faster as they have a guy on the gate & it's open when you get to it so you don't have to stop to enter the code or RFID doodad at the sensor.
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    Looks like the "internal" page at Flying pussies is turned off at this time for some mysterious reason,,,

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    Sitting here typing this I have some sympathy for the tenants and business's affected by the air show. I run a vintage restoration shop at Sonoma Raceway in the bay area of San Fransisco and have to close my shop for four event's a year for a total of 12 days, plus severe disruption for the extra 8 days of setup and strike down time. for this period my customers lose all access to my business. The difference is when I signed my lease this was made quite clear and I signed in full knowledge of this. Perhaps if as sounds like the case at Chino this was not part of the lease agreement? Now I love Chino and am a regular visitor to the airport and museum, when I lived in SOCAL I was a paid member of Planes of Fame and even went for a flight in the Mustang. It sounds to me reading the complaint that personality problems have occurred that may well be unsolvable by the party's involved and court is the only way to deal with it. I don't think that they have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the law suit but maybe it will change things for the better for the plaintiffs because of it? It just seems such a shame that this has to be resolved in this manner and not by cooler minds in private. I have no affiliation with Yanks museum at all In fact I had a very poor experience there when they were first starting out! These opinions are based purely on a businessman's take in not dissimilar circumstance. Mainly because this weekend is one of those weekends and I have a customer who wants to pick up his car and cannot!
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    Ironically, the only times I've ever been to Yanks is during the day or two prior to the Planes of Fame airshow, right within the 8 or 9 day span of time that they claim a lack of/prevention of business, and I've only ever been to Yanks because of traveling to Chino for the Planes of Fame airshow. Judging from what I've read on FB, many others just the same.

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    Did exactly the same as John, and on show day I drove in and out without issue. Nothing like Duxford Cosford Fairford etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Boyle View Post
    It seems an odd effort to stop a lawsuit by a petition...which has no legal standing.
    "Change.org" is an internet business

    They host or create meaningless petitions and append a donate button that says something like "If you want to help our work putting a stop to the torturing of fluffy kittens you can donate here" (or whatever the petition is about)

    The terminally naive seeing this donate a few quid or a dollars. Of course the total 'work' that change.org or 38degrees or the others do is to host petitions.

    Stupid waste of time signing, stupid waste of money donating.

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    Moggy

    The petition and the lawsuit appear to be seperate things...

    And there's no 'Donate' button on the Change web page.
    It's simply a publicity driver set up by a 'fan'...

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    To be fair you are quite correct.

    The begging for money only comes up after you sign, and then they do make clear the money is for the website and won't help the petition.

    I was totally wrong / out of date. Apologies.

    Moggy
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    A cheeky 'bump' to get this topic back to the top of the forum once more.

    If you have yet to sign the online petition, link below, or have not yet sent an email of support to Planes of Fame (letusfly@planesoffame.org) please take a few moments out of your day to do so.

    If you have already done so then you have my hearty thanks, but do please spread the word and encourage others to do the same.

    https://www.change.org/p/planes-of-f...p-our-air-show
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    PoF has filed their response. It appears their lawyers know what they are doing...

    https://secure-hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/2/...94bd2fa549bef6
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    Hearing is tomorrow, petition now has over 15,000 signatures.
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    Update: 20 April 2017 --The hearing has been moved to 28 April due to the judge, that was scheduled to hear the case, has had some dealings with the airport and county. The request was made by Yanks Air Museum. It is also rumors that SOCAL MRO and Zangeneh Aeronautics has withdrawn from the case.
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    I'm curious to see what impact the signatures (especially those from people outside the jurisdiction) have on the case.

    Really, it's fun to get worked up and sign a petition with sincere righteousness indignation, but I don't think it has any legal standing.
    There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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    I agree J, it's hard to understand how a court - any court, besides that of public opinion - would take into account a petition like this.

    That being said, I work in the justice system and signed it anyway
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    You can sign something just to show a spirit of feeling ,legal or otherwise or you can do nothing.I do think that opinions sometimes can sway a balance ,same as people get swayed by advertising.

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    Yanks just dropped the injunction......

    https://yanksair.org/2017-air-show-c...ion-community/
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    I wonder how much this pointless exercise has cost both Yanks and PoF ?
    The only winner being the Lawyers.

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