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    US radiation plane flown to the UK.

    http://travel.aol.co.uk/2017/02/22/r...D1544244542_uk

    According to the news, the WC-135 plane landed at Mildenhall last Friday for the purpose of investigating a spike in radiation levels over Europe.
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    The WC-135 is currently on a mission. It left RAF Mildenhall heading north around midday.

    https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/2...e-barents-sea/

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    once the aircraft reached Aberdeen, eastern Scotland, they turned off their transponder becoming invisible to the flight tracking websites such as Flightradar24.com or Global.adsbexchange.com that use ADS-B, Mode S and MLAT technologies to monitor flights: a sign they were going operational and didn’t want to be tracked online.
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    The WC-135 so far hasn't returned to RAF Mildenhall.

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    The implication being that there are no European aircraft capable of conducting such measurements?

    I'm sure the Russians could spare a Bear or two if asked nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newforest View Post
    investigating a spike in radiation levels over Europe.
    Iodine-131 to be precise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakobS View Post
    Iodine-131 to be precise.
    Concerns about a potential, and so far unsubstantiated, nuclear "incident", reportedly in the vicinity of the Arctic circle, spread in the past week after trace amounts of radioactive Iodine-131 of unknown origin were detected in January over large areas in Europe according to a report by the Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety, the French national public expert in nuclear and radiological risks. Since the isotope has a half-life of only eight days, the detection is an indication of a rather recent release. As the Barents Observer adds, "where the radioactivity is coming from is still a mystery."

    The air filter station at Svanhovd - located a few hundred meters from Norway’s border to Russia’s Kola Peninsula in the north - was the first to measure small amounts of the radioactive Ionide-131 in the second week of January. Shortly thereafter, the same Iodine-131 isotope was measured in Rovaniemi in Finnish Lapland. Within the next two weeks, traces of radioactivity, although in tiny amounts, were measured in Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain.

    Norway was the first to measure the radioactivity, but France was the first to officially inform the public about it.

    "Iodine-131 a radionuclide of anthropogenic origin, has recently been detected in tiny amounts in the ground-level atmosphere in Europe. The preliminary report states it was first found during week 2 of January 2017 in northern Norway. Iodine-131 was also detected in Finland, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain, until the end of January", the official French Institute de Radioprotection et de Süreté Nucléaire (IRSN) wrote in a press release.
    Iodine-131 (131I), a radionuclide of anthropogenic origin, has recently been detected in tiny amounts in the ground-level atmosphere in Europe. The preliminary report states it was first found during week 2 of January 2017 in northern Norway. Iodine-131 was also detected in Finland, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain, until the end of January.
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    The WC-135 and RC-135 had completed their mission and had returned to RAF Mildenhall during 01 GMT (23 February)

    https://twitter.com/EGUNnEGUL/status/834574660826193920

    https://twitter.com/EGUNnEGUL/status/834572252960190465

    https://twitter.com/CivMilAir/status/834607898927964160

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    The implication being that there are no European aircraft capable of conducting such measurements?
    The RAF VC-10s used to be fitted with a pod. It doesn't appear that the RAF Voyagers took over the role after the VC-10s were retired.

    During 2006 and 2009 the RAF deployed VC-10s equipped with the sampling pods to Okinawa after North Korean nuclear tests.

    Footage of one of the pod equipped RAF VC-10s landing at Okinawa to assist the USAF WC-135.

    See from 1:07

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg-5ZsIFwIQ

    Image of one of the pods fitted to an RAF VC-10 at Kadena. See following link.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-gro...116747973.html

    Ground crew members work on a pod of a British Royal Airforce VC-10, modified to take air samples to check for radiation, at Kadena U.S. Air Force base in Kadena town on Japan's southern island of Okinawa May 29, 2009. South Korea and the United States raised the military alert level for the peninsula on Thursday after the communist North warned the truce ending the Korean War was dead and it was ready to attack. REUTERS/Yuriko Nakao (JAPAN MILITARY POLITICS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    The implication being that there are no European aircraft capable of conducting such measurements?
    British Aerospace Bae 146, registration G-LUXE, flew a mission that took it over Cherbourg, Northern France on the 16th February. Perhaps it was up sampling?

    https://planefinder.net/flight/MET1/...6:45:00%20UTC#

    https://planefinder.net/data/aircraft/G-LUXE

    https://www.jetphotos.com/aircraft/BAE146RJ-E3001

    http://www.faam.ac.uk/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWI8_IP3uRU

    9th February.

    Authorities have said there is no risk of contamination from an explosion that occurred at EDF’s Flamanville nuclear plant in northern France.

    EDF said the blast at 9.40am on Thursday was caused by a fire in the turbine hall, which is outside the nuclear zones of the power station, located 15 miles west of the port of Cherbourg. Five people were treated for smoke inhalation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...western-france

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    The implication being that there are no European aircraft capable of conducting such measurements?

    I'm sure the Russians could spare a Bear or two if asked nicely.
    And the Bear would likely report "Nothing detected, nothing to see here Comrade....move along...."

    Has the Russian press or gov't reported anything on this "incident"?

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    Silence on Sputnik and RT could be telling...

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    http://www.faam.ac.uk/

    Thanks for this link, most interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newforest View Post
    http://www.faam.ac.uk/

    Thanks for this link, most interesting!
    You are very welcome.

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    Air Force clears the air around specialized 'nuke sniffer' plane deployment

    VanNoord said that the WC-135 crew isn’t in Europe to track down a specific radioactive cloud. Instead, it is participating in a constant mission of monitoring nuclear debris all the world from facilities such as nuclear power stations and hospitals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatViP View Post
    Put me down as a skeptic.

    The technology that measures radiation has been improving. They are now able to measure radiation levels on such a small scale that small differences of yesteryear look big when measured this way. We have this story about "radioactive hogs" in Japan for example. Again. These hogs are in perfect health and the radioactivity is minuscule but when measured in such a small scale, looks big in comparison.

    I believe that this is a politically charged scare story. The EU/US were probably on high alert, waiting to take the opportunity to proclaim a spike in radiation around Russia. So that big brother can deploy its sniffer plane and then the western media can add another story to pump up the animus toward Russia. And what could be a better way to gin up the cold war than the talk of nuclear radiation. We might be hiding under our desks before long again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandiego89 View Post
    And the Bear would likely report "Nothing detected, nothing to see here Comrade....move along...."

    Has the Russian press or gov't reported anything on this "incident"?
    What incident ? See ? This is exactly what I mean. This is a story void of details but it pumps up animus to Russia. If Russia says nothing, ppl will be suspicious. If Russia says that they don't believe its a problem , ppl will be suspicious. Russia cant win no matter what is said

    They are probably measuring radioactivity on such a scale that it doesn't actually mean anything. There was a report out there that showed how animal migration changes would actually change the radioactivity of an area if you measure it small enough.

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    Ok so it was nothing. So RT and Sputniks silence wasn't telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    The RAF VC-10s used to be fitted with a pod. It doesn't appear that the RAF Voyagers took over the role after the VC-10s were retired.

    During 2006 and 2009 the RAF deployed VC-10s equipped with the sampling pods to Okinawa after North Korean nuclear tests.

    Footage of one of the pod equipped RAF VC-10s landing at Okinawa to assist the USAF WC-135.

    See from 1:07

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg-5ZsIFwIQ

    Image of one of the pods fitted to an RAF VC-10 at Kadena. See following link.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-gro...116747973.html
    Fitting air sampling pods to monitor radiation would be outside the contract with AirTanker the company that owns the Voyager Tankers so not that likely. The air sampling pods pods are converted Hawker Hunter drop tanks apparently, they originally hung off the Skybolt Pylons of Avro Vulcans (there is a nice picture of XH558 equipped as such). When the Vulcans were retired the pods were passed onto the Victor K2 and when that was retired the VC-10.



    You could probably hang the pod fairly easily off the wing refuelling pod station for the A400M Atlas, after that the only really suitable type to carry the pods would be the P-8a when it enters service.

    To be honest whilst the pods are probably still sitting in an RAF Warehouse somewhere it is a capability that has probably been quietly allowed to slip with the MOD probably not that interested in integrating and testing the pods on another type and anybody who knows how to deploy them has been pensioned off hence why the USAF had to step in when this happened.
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    Contracts can be changed, & often are. I would expect AirTanker to be very happy to be contracted to do extra work - & charge for it. The question is the suitability of the Voyager for carrying such a pod without prohibitive expense.
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    No I don't agree Swerve, it makes no logical sense to pay AirTanker to amend the contract to provide an ad-hoc and rarely used air sampling capability. AirTanker would charge a pretty penny to do it.

    It is far more logical if the MOD really wants the capability back to put the pods on UK MOD and taxpayer owned types, out of the large types in UK service or future service with suitable wing stations to do it that leaves A400M Atlas or Voyager. Possibly C-130J but I don't know if UK examples of the type have the wing station mounting points for pylons. Atlas and Poseidon definitely do out of the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    Ok so it was nothing. So RT and Sputniks silence wasn't telling.

    Only in so far as they missed an opportunity to promote the usual line of 'Your leaders are leading you to war'. other than that, point taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedaykin View Post
    No I don't agree Swerve, it makes no logical sense to pay AirTanker to amend the contract to provide an ad-hoc and rarely used air sampling capability. AirTanker would charge a pretty penny to do it.

    It is far more logical if the MOD really wants the capability back to put the pods on UK MOD and taxpayer owned types, out of the large types in UK service or future service with suitable wing stations to do it that leaves A400M Atlas or Voyager. Possibly C-130J but I don't know if UK examples of the type have the wing station mounting points for pylons. Atlas and Poseidon definitely do out of the factory.
    I didn't say it was logical or makes sense (see below), but that the contract does not, by itself, prevent it. I agree that there are better options than the A330s.

    The question is the suitability of the Voyager for carrying such a pod without prohibitive expense.
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    With the air sampling missions there was also a need for CBRN training of the crews, and inflight / pre- / post-flight personal contamination monitoring and testing. It wasn't just a case of strapping on pods and launching.

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    The WC-135 left RAF Mildenhall on the 13th March. Last noted on flight tracking software over Israel.

    Video from Cambridge, UK.



    Twitter link with WC-135 tracking info.

    https://twitter.com/CivMilAir/status/841294967398125569

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry Ripe View Post
    With the air sampling missions there was also a need for CBRN training of the crews, and inflight / pre- / post-flight personal contamination monitoring and testing. It wasn't just a case of strapping on pods and launching.
    apparently the western media needed some anti Russian scare mongering training too

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