President Erdogan of Turkey will be making an official State Visit to Russia on 9 and 10 March 2017 to conclude talks and sign agreement for S-400 deal.
Russian Politics & Diplomacy February 24, 15:05 UTC+3
MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. The date for visit of Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Moscow is agreed - March 9-10, press secretary of the Russian president told TASS.
"Yes, the visit’s date is agreed," he said in response to a request to comment on information from Turkey’s NTV, claiming Erdogan is to visit Moscow on March 9-10.
"I confirm it," Dmitry Peskov said.
The Turkish television channel said about a planned bilateral meeting of presidents, and a meeting of the High-Level Russian-Turkish Cooperation Council. The parties to the negotiations plan to discuss a wide range of issues, including supplies of Russian S-400 missile systems to Turkey. The television channel, however, has not named source of the information.
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The Turkey-Russia rapprochement and subsequent Strategic Partnership is President Erdogan's sweet revenge from the West for the 15 July coup attempt to overthrow him - he believes the coup was orchestrated by NATO's clandestine groups.
And US and NATO in general doesn't even try to find a common ground with Turkey. US and NATO -from Turkish perspective- openly betrayes Turkey in favour of one single pro-Kurd armed group, it opens up an opportunities for Russia-Turkish relations, and mutual benefits goes well beyond Syria...
If it all works well, Russia gets a powerful ally who controls the Russian transition to mediterranean and NATO transition to black sea, and can provide a quick ticket to whole middleeast if WW3 erupts someday.. Such alliance also rips NATO of some hundreds of combat aircraft, more than ten thousand armored vehicles, reducing the NATO's conventional threat to Russia significantly.
Turkey may -on paper- appear to get a less powerful (than NATO) ally, but even the most recent history (read: last 3-4 years) shows Russia is an ally that is actually honorable and dependable... Russia won't just stop selling tank engines or machine guns or helicopter transmission parts (like Austria, US and Italy does right now), because of some internal affairs of Turkey that is no one's business. (Whereas Russia didn't stop shipping BTR and Mi-17 spare parts despite political tension in Syria until Turkey actually shot down a Russian plane. Russia still proceeds with all levels of military cooperation despite being on politically opposite sides in Syria). Russia won't hide behind some excuses like NATO if an ally is in dire need of assistance (as proven by Russia's hard efforts to keep Assad in power)... If such alliance could be forged, I don't think Russia would betray Turkey in totally irrelevant political matters like Aegean islands, Cyprus, Armenian Genocide among others like great majority of NATO countries do...
If all these good relations break up at a certain point, Russia will still make some good money. If my memory serves me right, even China will get 6 S-400 systems, Turkey hopes to get 12, twice the number.. ~6 billion $ is a good money for Russia, funding the procurement of some 40+ PAK-FAs by itself... Also, its not like S-400 will automatically get useless the second NATO get its hands upon.. all the details regarding S-300 was known to NATO, just like all the details of F-15 was exactly known to Soviets in 1980s... Espionage works even better today, same surely holds true for S-400 and F-22; there is probably nothing west doesn't already know about S-400's specifications. Also, Russia will be knowing the exact capabilities of Turkish ADGM network, and the fact S-400 will not be fully integrated to NATO systems still weakens the NATO in a way... Turkey, in return, will still get an ADGM system it can't produce by its own and doesn't given by anyone else... That is quite beneficial for both sides.
Especially if it serves US interests (as funnily enough Turkey has done for a very long time) .. then it will simply be done eventually.. US foreign policy is not always successful, but it is a train .. and a trainwreck at times...
Its no secret that Putin hate NATO, Russia official view is that they will not do any co-op with NATO, but they will seek mutual co-op with NATO countries induvidualy.
And behold that is what Russia is doing with Turkey. If it would upset the NATO/US balance, then one more straw in Putins hat.
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Russia under its current rulers is 'honourable & dependable' only as long as that serves what Putin wants.
Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
Wrong -- US and NATO do try to find commond ground with Erdogan -- actually one could make the opposite statement, that Erdogan does not try to find common ground with the US and NATO... flirting with both China and Russia, and refuse to accept the viewpoints of US and Western NATO countries.
Anyhow, unless Erdogan changes his tune I predict there will be a "proper" coup in Turkey soon -- and not driven by the hapless Gulen movement but rather another and much stronger and better organized force within the Turkish society. I also predict that the US and other NATO countries will stay well out of the mess (just in case) but that they will quickly work to "normalize" the relationship with the new rulers in Turkey.
Unless of course Erdogan changes his tune. I think they will give him one last chance to improve himself and get back on track...
As for Iraq increasing oil production- this oil transits Turkish territory and Turkey gets transit fees.
As for there being a proper coup in Turkey- this today is impossible. Erdogan has purged every single General and Intelligence officer that has the slightest connection to NATO or opposition forces. His men are now appointed to all key positions in the Turkish intelligence and military apparatus. He also has a direct line to the Kremlin. The last move that will guarantee and protect Erdogan is the switch from a Parliamentary regime to a Presidential system like France and the US- he will be Commander-in-Chief and have direct say in everything.
Above-all, Erdogan enjoys majority support in Turkey from the people. This makes it much harder for those plotting against him.
This contrasts the deceptive attitude of US calling Turkey an ally, but refusing to sell 7,62mm machine guns Turkey requested, on the excuse because they are being used againist Kurds, yet sending the exact same weapons to the enemy of Turkey for free... From where I stand, if a country supports my enemy and not me, then its not an ally at all... US is not an ally of Turkey, period.
Turkey had to work with Agusta because of NATO ties, and now the Italian supplier doesn't provide transmissions for several months, to a point Turkey had to start domestic production of it... I can name similar issues everywhere.. Every actor in NATO that pretends to be an ally and a supplier just want to put a leash on Turkish industry and make some money in the process... Had Turkey just have given up on NATO and A-129, and preferred Ka-52 instead, I am sure Russia wouldn't have stopped shipping some critical components because the helicopters would be used againist PKK or PYD. Hence my definition of "dependable". Simply put, Italy is proven to be NOT dependable. As far as other Turkish military contracts concerned, same goes for US, Germany, Austria or China... Again, Russia still supplies spare parts for Turkish Mi-17s today, even though Turkish and Russians are standing at the opposite sides of the fronts in Syria, Russians are honoring their agreement. That also speaks dependability to me..
And all that de-facto arms embargo is connected to Turkish a military campaign againist an internationally recognized terrorist group PKK; by any definition is an internal matter of Turkey. Now imagine the stance of the same Italy or Austria in question, if Turkey was fighting a full scale war with Greece... Turkey has quite many reasons to distrust NATO as a whole and US and EU countries individually. You just can't say that is just unfounded, or you can't blame it all on *******ed-up, overly religious administation Turkey currently has...
As for the coup, anyone who is civilized and aware enough to see the dangers of AKP regime is also civilized and aware enough to see the dangers of a military coup. There hasn't been a coup in Turkey since 1980 for a reason. And no, some hundreds of brain-washed morons marching into streets of a capital with 5,3 million population with just 4 tanks and ~10 APCs are not making a coup.. They are better defined as a terrorist act, made by using the equipment of the military.
Crippling your supply chains to the benefit of the US is the entire point of NATO. Americans are merely incompetent statesmen and let a minor periphery conflict like Syria "open the eyes" of its client states to just how screwed they really were because of said reliances. I am no JSR fan but he is right when he says Russia will make piles off money off its Syria intervention not because it showed it would back Assad "no matter what" but because the US refused to back Turkey "no matter what" and played similar dirty games with Iraq and the Gulf states to the point where everyone involved has a bad taste in their mouth from dealing with the US. So after Syria there isnt a country in the region not looking to diversify away from American suppliers.
I would also add that the US never ratified the Budapest Memorandum so it is not in fact international law. Ukraine gave up its nukes for subsidized natural gas without which it would have starved to death in the 90s -- and its gas is still subsidized to this very day. Ukraine still does not buy gas from Russia at EU prices when it actually buys gas from Russia.
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Turkey and Israel cant exist without Gulf money. Turkey and Israel make a lot of noise in the news but practical worth is zero as far as Russia is concerned.
Israel and Turkey has as much role as long as Gulf countries have extra funds for them. Turkey and Israel are incompetent fools as long economics, science and military are concerned. They always need external help from skill labor, spare parts to tourism to foreign fund flow. both has leaders that are embarrassment due to there loud mouth.
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