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    Also anyone whom thinks data fusion in pak-fa is weak. Computer processing in Pak-fa has moved miles since even Su-35. No wonder the Russians sold Su-35 to the Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    You two are on the same level.. really..
    Loke is a lot more respectable and knowledgeable than JSR. Personally i consider him on marcellogo or haavarla level.
    Most people have JSR in their ignore list, while it is not the case against Loke. Having different opinion and brainless trolling aren't the same
    Last edited by moon_light; 15th April 2017 at 05:31.

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    Thank for comparing me to Haavarla, whose certainly has a technical competence I somewhere lack.

    P.S. certainly using translator give sometimes weird output: The old one was Baguette, so the new one would be called Krapfen?
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    Sukhoi starts testing new IMA BK FMS on Russia's PAK FA fighter

    http://www.airrecognition.com/index....a-fighter.html
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Sukhoi starts testing new IMA BK FMS on Russia's PAK FA fighter

    http://www.airrecognition.com/index....a-fighter.html
    Old Baget-53-31M :

    COMPOSITION:
    > General-purpose processor module
    (BT33-206B) - 6 pcs.
    BT33-206B
    Microprocessor:
    Real time OS : OS RV Baget 2.0
    Processor Module: BT33-206B
    > Microprocessor architecture: MIPS IV
    > Core clock speed: 396 MHz
    > The design of the processor module: Euromechanics 6U VME
    > Interprocessor interworking: VME 32 bus
    > Interface for connecting modules: PCI 2.1 33 MHz, 32 bits
    > Ethernet 100 Mbps

    vs new IMA-BK-FMS :

    Real-time operating system OS RV "Baget 4000"
    The architecture of the processor cores: "Elbrus" with an extended set of commands
    Total number of processor cores of the computer: 24 cores
    Core clock speed (not less than): 600 MHz
    Total capacity: up to 20,000 DMIPS (on the Dhrystone test), up to 150 GFLOPS for double precision numbers, up to 300 GFLOPS for single-precision numbers

    So, this is not only new processor, but also new OS (and new architecture)

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    For comparison, the Rafale clocks around 1 GFLOPS per RISC, makes 16 GFLOPS in total. The F-22A clocks around 20 GFLOPS.
    The JSF started at 75.6 GFLOPS, current F-35 surely has been updated and clocks much more..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triode View Post

    vs new IMA-BK-FMS :

    Real-time operating system OS RV "Baget 4000"
    The architecture of the processor cores: "Elbrus" with an extended set of commands
    Total number of processor cores of the computer: 24 cores
    Core clock speed (not less than): 600 MHz
    Total capacity: up to 20,000 DMIPS (on the Dhrystone test), up to 150 GFLOPS for double precision numbers, up to 300 GFLOPS for single-precision numbers

    So, this is not only new processor, but also new OS (and new architecture)
    My Google Fu has failed me , can you give me the sauce ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon_light View Post
    My Google Fu has failed me , can you give me the sauce ?
    from RPKB "Some questions of import substitution in on-board radio-electronic equipment of military and special-purpose aviation complexes" page 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triode View Post
    from RPKB "Some questions of import substitution in on-board radio-electronic equipment of military and special-purpose aviation complexes" page 6
    Can you give the link ?, still can't find it on Google.

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    Haha, downloading a document that can contain active content from a Russian web site. What could possibly go wrong?

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    Nothing..

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    So where should any such doc about PakFa be found and downloaded from? A US site
    Thanks

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    @ActionJackson

    Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat while you're downloading something from the Russia's Machine-builders Union official website. Russian hackers are everywhere!

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    Yeah, no electronics surveillance or backdoors in American online content...

    EDIT: Oh god you guys, I almost got hacked by Russian intelligence, thankfully Power Point defended me with its powerful Protected View (TM):

    Last edited by TR1; 24th April 2017 at 19:08.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    How did you survive this?

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    Both the Su-35S' and current T-50's fire control computers (СОЛО-35.01/SOLO-35.01 & СОЛО-21/SOLO-21 respectively) peak @ 80Gflops:

    http://www.aviationunion.ru/Files/Nom_9_GRPZ.pdf

    So the IMA-BK-FMS is a huge improvement.

    Also of interest is that the T-50's systems will ultimately most likely feature ultra-fast DRAM based on the newest High Bandwidth Memory (HBM) Interface, aka 3D TSV - allowing >5x increase over GDDR5:

    http://aviationunion.ru/Files/Nom_4_Vega.pdf

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    Apparently T-50-9 has flown!
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    FINALLY!

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    The fact that Su-35S has computer power equivalent(80Gflops) to the first F-35s is interesting ( of course expanded by now). Now with the new system, pak-fa expands this further into 150-300Gflops.
    Probably an issue to, with India and the reasons they were not signing yet to continue further contracts. The ram coatings, new ECM systems and now new computer fire control systems are finally been put onto the plane. Engines of course of second stage. Finally Pak-fa seems to be maturing to something that Indians are dreaming for. Now T-50-9, two more this year and the program is maturing along.

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    Can anyone briefly elaborate on the kind of RAM Sukhoi is using for the covers on the rear part of the engine ?

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    Pitot tube is now missing from 058.

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    Can anyone briefly elaborate on the kind of RAM Sukhoi is using for the covers on the rear part of the engine ?
    Seriously..?
    No one here can do that.

    Can you show us the kind of RAM F-35 and F-22 use?
    Last edited by haavarla; 26th April 2017 at 09:20.
    Thanks

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    Maybe none.. rear engine covers is most likely not the area of interest for the RCS reduction..

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    I wonder if they can have a stealthy/chissiled cover for rear engine instead of circular one , Will that disturb the aerodynamics ?
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    About the the new central computer (IMA BK) of Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA:

    Hello Friends, first post in this prestigious forum!

    I hope to continue learning and, if possible, contribute with some information.

    It seems to me, the IMA BK has 6 (six) Elbrus-4C processors. Each processor Elbrus-4C has a performance of 25 GFLOPS (64 bits), or 50-64 GFLOPS (32 bits).

    So, for the complete system (6 processors, 24 cores) we have a performance of 150 GFLOPS (64 BITS) or 300 GFLOPS (32 bits). The clock speed, ~800 GHz (or less for lower consumption).

    These figures are similar or equal to those reported by the “Ramenskoye Instrument-Making Design Bureau” (RPKB) document, for a proposed computer (IMA BK).

    It is interesting to note that this microprocessor may be being manufactured by the Russian company "Mikron" with 65 nm / 45 nm technology.

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    Best wishes!
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    Maybe none.. rear engine covers is most likely not the area of interest for the RCS reduction..
    +1

    what happened to the reply with quote button?

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    For comparison, the Rafale clocks around 1 GFLOPS per RISC, makes 16 GFLOPS in total. The F-22A clocks around 20 GFLOPS.
    The JSF started at 75.6 GFLOPS, current F-35 surely has been updated and clocks much more..

    http://www.aviationtoday.com/2003/09...ar-excellence/
    There's also the Common F-15 upgraded processor (CPMP Offshoot F-15E/C ADCPII) which is currently undergoing DT/OT and should start going in to the Strike Eagle fleet starting late this year, or early next year.

    http://www.boeing.com/features/2016/...ter-08-16.page
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 26th April 2017 at 14:48.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Or down-clocked Elbrus-8's's

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    They will start with -4S, I think.. Elbrus-8S makes 250 GFLOPS (8 cores @ 1.3 GHz).. I think this is the future room for growth the T-50 will urgently require if it wants to stay relevant... you need a ~2000 GFLOPS system in order to approach the capabilities to process and analyze battlefield emissions in real time.. 6x 250 GFLOPS, that is already quite close and they are still on the beginning only..

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