since the old one is super long but filled with too much talk on exposed hotdogs
lets start a new for the new year
I found this today
looks like Vietnam wants Pak-fa with brahmos
Last edited by Y-20 Bacon; 4th February 2017 at 11:12.
Vietnam's GDP (assuming it continues its pace min 6%) will be similar to Spain in 2035. surely by then they can afford one squadron of pak-fas
Money.. the MK2 was dirt cheap.. 100% logistic chain in Russia, denominated in Rubles.. OTOH, due to foreign content, the MKI/SM is the most expensive Flanker variant ever.. even more expensive than the Su-35S..Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon
Neither the MK2 nor the baseline -SM can employ the Brahmos. Its too heavy. Period.
HAL has run a program to strengthen the Su-30's airframe to carry it and only about 40 of these modified airframes have been ordered IIRC.
The MK2 will employ the same anti-ship missile as the -SM/MKI i.e Kh-35.
The Brahmos referenced in the article is probably the either a land/ship launched variant or the miniaturised Brahmos(-M) that's expected to fit into the PAK FA's internal bays. Its not entering the picture before 2030.
Personaly, if i was Vietnam, i would fly or ship those MK2's back to Russia and let Sukhoi do the trick.
It can be done. Sure cheaper than buying new Su-30SM's..
And i'm not even sure if the Su-30SM and 35S actually can carry the Brahmos..
The MKI & SM aren't interchangeable. The export version of the SM is the SME not the MK. The salient difference being the foreign content.The foreign content on the MKI/SM is well known, BTW..
My point was, its not clear who should do it Irkuts or KnAAZ. I doesn't matter, as long as it gets done. Being able to operate Brahmos from Flankers is a game changer in capability as i see it.
So what is the heaviest ordinance/weapon system Su-30SM and 35S can carry now?
Reason for Q is the Russian Navy now field Su-30SM..
Last edited by haavarla; 1st February 2017 at 13:48.
The exportable technology is getting more than double in range in less than 3 years.
99% of defence and industrialization order completed in 2016 as I predicted before no cuts and practically 100% procurement on time.https://sputniknews.com/military/201...missile-range/
Russian-Indian BrahMos short-range ramjet supersonic cruise missiles, currently produced for India's armed forces, may gain an extended range variant by 2019, the missile's Russian manufacturer said Friday
The numbers are clear.. Two contracts for Russian MoD, worth ~60 bil RUB each, separated only few months apart.. one for 37 Su-30SM, the other one or 50 Su-35S.
In the end I doubt very much if the Su-35 will be any cheaper than the Rafale or F-35 - I see no evidence that it will be.
Given Pak-FA's weapon bay profile I don't think Onix/Yakhont/BrahMos integration is viable.
Those few changes also consisted of replacing the foreign i.e. French (& Israeli) gear with domestic Russian equivalents.The MKI and SM are almost interchangeable. Few changes in the cockpit layout, Bars-R version, different IFF, that's it.
I think looking at just unit price is kind of a waste of time for RuMOD contracts, as it doesn't take into account gov money grants to the plants that would otherwise reflect on purchase price.
Hence that batch of 16 MiG-29SMTs per unit in rubles is not too far off from the recent Su-35 order- despite the latter being light-years more advanced.
A 100% Russian version with HUD from Su-35S is in the pipeline but it has not even flown yet. In the meantime, Russian Su-30SM cockpit with Thales VEH-3022 HUD and Samtel SMD-55 displays.
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