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    Austin, the AH-64E has the Longbow radar. These can act like tremendous force multipliers for the AAC. Especially if AAC works to get some sort of datalink solution that can share the feed from the Longbow equipped AH-64s to the LCH. In a messy, dust ridden battle field, the Longbow radar + long range optics and sensors of the Apache can prove to be decisive. They can act like the ears and eyes for the wider WSI Dhruv and LCH fleet.

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    This could be a huge step forward for the IAF.
    http://www.indiastrategic.in/Indian_..._And_EMALS.htm

    Overall though, General Atomics, the biggest privately-held US defence company, could land with big multi-billion dollar deals in the coming years as the Indian Air Force (IAF) has also expressed interest in acquiring more than 100 Predator C Avenger attack drones. IAF had sent a communication in September last year, and significantly during Mr Modi's visit, this requirement was mentioned at the highest levels.

    The jet-powered Avenger is a high performance next-generation drone, or Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA), for time-sensitive strike missions. It fires missiles to neutralize multiple hostile targets with precision with the flick of a command sent through satellites.

    As the procedural paperwork for this drone could also begin only after the MTCR clearance, the Indian Ministry of Defence (MOD) should clear the proposal in due course. India has just become the 35th Member of NTCR and now qualifies to acquire or sell weapons and missiles with ranges longer than 300 km with payloads exceeding 500 kg.
    IAF wants upto 100 jet powered Avengers.

    The IN wants 22 Guardians.

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    Reason this year old report is relevant, is because India has now cleared MTCR and the steps eg Brahmos range extension, have been implemented.

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    Su-30 missing in Assam.
    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/natio...northeast.html

    As long as the pilots are returned..

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    Austin, the AH-64E has the Longbow radar. These can act like tremendous force multipliers for the AAC. Especially if AAC works to get some sort of datalink solution that can share the feed from the Longbow equipped AH-64s to the LCH. In a messy, dust ridden battle field, the Longbow radar + long range optics and sensors of the Apache can prove to be decisive. They can act like the ears and eyes for the wider WSI Dhruv and LCH fleet.
    My point is LCH is ready and with the cost they spend for AH-64E they can buy dozen more LCH for AAC.

    On Longbow radar , they can always datalink with Airforce AH-64 and in future develop a block 2 model for LCH with radar what better incentive then to have one , its not a death wish , they have operated this long without one and current LCH has much better EO compared to the venerable Mi-35.

    IAF and AAC have this inter-rivalary for a long time where IAF does not wants to give up attack chopper to AAC and AAC would want to have exactly similar what IAF have got.

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    Austin, thanks

    What I am saying is the IA clearly does not believe it has full access to the IAF choppers so datalinking to the IAF AH-64Es is not suitable from their view because the IAF may deploy the AH-64Es for their own tasks.

    So they want their own.
    About EO, its a limited view versus radar and will be more affected by dust and obscurants. Smoke can block EO but not necessarily Longbow..

    Unfortunately, we won't be in a place to have a compact FCR for helicopters yet. LRDE is the only one capable enough to make such a complex system and they are upto their noses in programs. At a rough glance, that's 15 programs beyond the ones in production and developed. So import seems the only option.

    http://www.ausairpower.net/longbow-aa.html

    Despite these successes, inclement weather, sand clouds and fog complicated operations by degrading thermal imager and laser performance. Long range night sorties under such conditions produced a very high workload for AH-64 crews, reducing their combat potential when contact was made with the enemy. Another problem found was situational awareness and early target acquisition, since the AH-64A would have to "unmask" in hover and sweep the battlefield with its thermal imager to locate targets. Even in wide FOV the TADS is a narrow FOV sensor, designed primary for acquiring targets and delivering weapons, in a "set piece" scenario. Long exposure times for target acquisition increase the odds of being sighted and engaged.

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    An optional fit to this baseline configuration is the Longbow weapon system, comprising the Northrop-Grumman (previously Westinghouse) AN/APG-78 Longbow mast mounted Fire Control Radar (FCR), and a Lockheed-Martin AN/APR-48 Radar Frequency Interferometer (RFI) package, both designed for all weather operation through precipitation and battlefield obscurants. The Longbow weapon system supports the AGM-114L active radar guided missile, operating in the same millimetric band as the radar.

    The Longbow radar is a very low peak power, millimetric band system, with extremely low sidelobes by virtue of a very large relative antenna size. The low emitted power, extremely narrow pencil beam mainlobe, and undisclosed LPI modulation features provide a system with a range of the order of 10 km in clear conditions, which is near to undetectable by established RWR technology. Only a highly sensitive channelised ESM receiver with a high gain antenna and low noise receivers can reliably detect such a signal, under optimal antenna pointing conditions. The choice of millimetric band means that atmospheric water vapour and oxygen resonance losses rapidly soak up the signal, which is also out of the frequency band coverage of most RWRs. The radar will track up to 128 targets and prioritise the top 16.

    The radar employs both real beam mapping and Moving Target Indicator (MTI) techniques, to provide the automatic detection, tracking and non-cooperative identification of surface targets, with a secondary capability against low flying aircraft. Target identification algorithms in the radar's software look at the shape of possible targets, and their Doppler signatures, to identify aircraft, helicopters, SPAAGs, SAM systems, tanks, AFVs, trucks and other wheeled vehicles. The capability exists to identify stationary targets through radar transparent camouflage netting and foliage. Real beam video and synthetic imagery can be displayed.

    The RFI is a multiple baseline, single plane wideband interferometer, with 360 degree coverage and increased resolution forward coverage, using a cluster of cavity backed spiral antennas mounted beneath the radar package. With significantly better detection range than the APR-39 and pointing accuracy better than a degree of arc, the RFI is essentially a compact ESM style passive targeting receiver which can precisely measure bearing to an emitter. This allows it to detect and engage a battlefield radar, SPAAG or SAM system typically from outside the threat's detection envelope, tracking the mainlobe or lower antenna sidelobes.

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    The Longbow weapon system is mounted on the rigid mast, and installation requires no avionic or software changes to the baseline D system. Once cables are hooked in and the computers booted, they detect the presence of the Longbow package and configure it into the weapon system.

    The highly integrated system provides fusion of radar, RFI, TADS and offboard targeting data into a single Tactical Situation Display format on one of the cockpit displays. The ability to slave sensors in an arbitrary manner, using HOTAS controls, allows the TADS visual ident of radar tracks, radar ident of RFI tracks, TADS visual ident of RFI tracks, or radar or RFI ident of camouflaged or obscured visual tracks. The radar can detect targets which cannot be seen behind radar transparent camouflage or foliage, noting that radar opaque camouflage nets effective against centimetric band fighter radars may not be very opaque in the millimetric band. Targets are automatically prioritised, with anti-air assets being accorded the highest priority, followed by armour and soft skinned vehicles.

    The mast mounted radar and RFI allow the Apache Longbow to remain masked behind terrain, only exposing the rotodome and RFI to detect targets. MMWI Hellfires can then be fired from a concealed location, with the pylon angles automatically adjusted by software to clear the rotor and terrain. An opponent will see the missiles pop up over the horizon and dive down to hit. Since the weapons are fire and forget, ie fully autonomous, once they are launched the helo can immediately move away to avoid "counter-battery" fire.

    The provision of a highly automated weapon system with basic sensor fusion is unique at this time to the Apache Longbow, and provides clearly unprecedented lethality in comparison with helicopters using only thermal imaging sights and laser guided missiles. Such systems are limited to engaging one target at a time, unlike the Apache Longbow which can engage many targets concurrently.

    The Apache Longbow's capability however extends further, since the IDM datalinking allows an Apache Longbow to hand off targets to non radar equipped AH-64D Apaches. In effect it becomes the notional equivalent of an AEW platform vectoring shooters on to targets. The US Army CONOPS is for a section of baseline AH-64Ds to be led by one or more Longbow equipped aircraft, which will provide wide area situational coverage of the battlefield for the remaining aircraft. The Longbow is the "hunter-killer" and the baseline AH-64Ds the "killers" in the "hunter-killer" package.

    This does not preclude the operation of sections wholly equipped with Longbow, or not equipped with Longbow. All aircraft can be fitted with the system, and all crews are trained to use it. The MMWI Hellfire can be carried by all aircraft, although it is most effective when supported by the Longbow.

    A textbook "ambush" scenario would see a Apache Longbow led AH-64D section move into position masked by terrain and coordinating via datalink. The lead ship would then raise its Longbow system to detect targets, and then drop back under cover, while the lead gunner distributes the targets via "drag and drop" to the other aircraft in the group, to avoid multiple targeting. At that point, all aircraft can salvo launch their MMWI Hellfires and back out into a new position

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    BTW if the IAF manages to get the Rafales & Su-30s datalinked via the ODL or to the Phalcons, I expect they & the other fighters, MiG-29s and Mirages will work the same way. The Rafales & Su-30s will scan for targets & hand them over to others or maintain situational awareness. This is primarily because both fighters have much better endurance and very long range radars. The limited FOV can be compensated for (in the case of the Rafales) by running a wall of them. They can operate where AWACs cant go, self defend & also move fast if targeted.

    The IAF can roll in MiG, Mirage & LCA strike packages out while the fighters with long range radars act as mini AEW&C for them, the Su-30s especially because they have two seater crews & the WSO can do this.

    Much the same with these Apache & LCH & ALH combinations. To be honest, the ALH & LCH orders are substantial for several hundred units, they are not really going to be affected by Apache orders which are silver bullet situational awareness answers.

    So in the future, I suspect the IA will embed Rudra strike packages with an Apache or armed LCH variants with an Apache. The Apache will screen for targets while the Rudra/LCH formation then comes in fast & salvos, and leaves. The Apaches will also be used as recon assets, albeit protected with other Rudras to screen them.

    The IAF & IA are rapidly moving ahead to a level which they never had access before. They literally have the pick of weaponry from domestic, east and western sources as long as the Indian economy keeps them funded. But even so these assets are very expensive, and IAF/IA will use them for information awareness.

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    FGFA report 24/05/2017 - 40 changes agreed.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttyqTMcpc0

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    Any news on the pilots? I hope they ejected safely!

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    Apparently no.

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    I'm speculating, but it looks like a Navigation error, with poor vizibility they flew straight into a mountain side.
    It can happen, Dej-davu back the that SSJ-100 hom flew into the mountain side in..

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    Any news on FGFA from Modi's visit to Russia?

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    https://sputniknews.com/military/201...sikorsky-deal/


    US firm blows it.

    A few days ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to the US, the Indian defense ministry has scrapped a naval multi-role helicopter deal with US firm Sikorsky after failing to reach an agreement on price since 2014.

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    It MAY be true. But remember sputnik and RT are propanada tools more than news sites.

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    Many deals got cancelled including S-70

    Original source http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/a.../1/973716.html

    Though its a blessing in disguise for Indian MIC.
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    LM commits to building F-16 in India


    Lockheed Martin has committed to manufacturing the F-16 in India should it win the air force’s single-engined fighter competition, and has signed a deal with Tata Advanced Systems to carry out this work in-country.

    A letter of intent was signed between the two companies at the show, which could lead to manufacture of Block 70 variants of the fourth-generation fighter. It is being pitched against the Saab Gripen for the programme, which expects to see multiple hundreds of units purchased.

    Orlando Carvalho, executive vice-president of Lockheed’s aeronautics division, told Flight Daily News: “We have been working with our government and the Indian government on the recapitalisation of their fighter force.
    “As part of that, what we are offering to the Indian government is to build the aircraft in India. We believe it makes sense to move the F-16 production line there.”

    Lockheed and Tata already have a joint venture to develop the empennage for the C-130 transport in India, which Carvalho says has so far “gone very well”, adding that “we’re now looking to extend that into the F-16 market”.

    At the end of 2017 Lockheed will finish deliveries of Iraq’s 36 examples, at which point the company will move manufacture of the F-16 from Fort Worth, Texas, to Greenville, South Carolina, allowing production of the F-35 at Fort Worth.

    “We will use this until we can move the F-16 production line over to India,” Carvalho says. “The fact that we’ve done this so many times before [transfer of F-16 production], we feel very comfortable doing this in India.”

    Other tangible requirements for the F-16 include Bahrain, Colombia and Indonesia, all of which have expressed interest in new-build examples that could be built via the proposed Indian deal.

    Bahrain is the most promising of these, with the necessary authorisations currently being worked through the US State Department, Carvalho says.

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    Still deperately looking for the RFI for that "competition"

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    Hmm, what is wrong with the pic in this article?

    http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/lockhee...-india-1714320

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    lol
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    Just happen to pass by KidzCorner and my bad what we get to see are the moros debating if Russia is having any OBOGS system.

    Indian Navy's MiG-29K/KUB were the first fighter aircrafts in Indian service to use bottle free on board oxygen generating systems. Even the Su-30MKIs were not using them and still doesn't use them (?), but might get them during the upgrade, where as the Algerian and Malaysian Su-30MKs which came later are using them as per Zvezda. These units as per what I read somewhere else weighed just around 30-35Kg.


    http://www.zvezda-npp.ru/en/node/705
    http://www.zvezda-npp.ru/en/node/707 (on trainers like Yak-130)

    Oxygen System KS - 129



    Purpose:

    The KS -129 oxygen system is designed to provide one or two pilots of the front-line aircraft with oxygen during flights at the altitudes up to 20 km. (KS -130 oxygen system is used at the altitudes up to 12 km). The oxygen source is the BKDU -130 onboard oxygen-generating system, which produces oxygen from compressed air tapped from the aircraft gas turbine compressor.

    Major advantages of the bottle-free oxygen system:

    There are no onboard oxygen bottles in the system and, correspondingly, there is no need in pre-flight charging of the system with oxygen;
    The mission duration is not limited with the onboard oxygen reserve;
    The system features less line maintenance man-hours than the system with the bottle oxygen source.

    The KS-129 oxygen system is used onboard the MiG-29K (KUB), MiG-29UPG, MiG-35, Su-30МКМ, Su-30МКI(A), Su-35, etc.
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    This report says Italy will be a party in upgrading the Su-30MKI, if thats is the case I think we are looking at ELT electronic warfares systems.

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170619/1496842131.html

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    LM signs pact with Tata to build F-16s in India if chosen by IAF

    Tata to offer service support

    Industry executives said the agreement will give the Tata Group firm the ability to integrate Indian sensors and systems into the high-technology Block 70 version of the US fighter jet.

    Besides providing full service support for the F-16, the agreement will enable the Indian company to offer all future upgrades for the aircraft on its own, they said. The timing of the announcement assumes significance, coming as it does ahead of Modi’s visit to the US, where he is also scheduled to meet Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson, according to people familiar with the matter.

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    The initial requirements though is that Lockheed gets to build the first 150 aircrafts then the rest in India. The Indian government earlier denied the F-16 deal. Seems they (Lockheed) is really trying hard for it. India may not though due to the requirements. It still isn't 100% tech transfer either, and there are probably a lot of strings attached to export those made in India. But we will see.

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    Why can't India just presevere with the Tejas, just build as many as the tejas as possible to populate the 10 more fither squadrons that is needed? Why are they keep being sidetracked with all these F-16/gripen/rafale nonsense? Concentrate on building the tejas (any fighter is a compromise, just get on with it), and concentrate the resources to R&D a follow up 5th gen fighter in the tejas/F-16 class like turkey, korea and china is doing.

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    says who? If LM gets to build 150 jets in the US, then what's the point of shifting the assembly line? The deal is for Make In India, with no exact number given, as to how many will be built in the country of the OEM. The RFI hasn't yet been released and when it will be, we'll know the specifics. But 150 in the OEM's country? That's impossible.

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    Agree, Blackarcher.

    Both Dassault and Saab proposed assembling their respective fighters abroad with an initial supply of a handful of OEM-assembled frames. I presume they would have been to accelerate training and to get some in-service experience so that operational maturity would be reached more quickly. LM's proposal is more suited to a Make Outside India program than a Make In India program.
    Sum ergo cogito

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    Isn't this deal contingent upon india selecting the Viper in the first place? In which case, how likely is this to actually come to fruition? And even if it went ahead, how long would it take given the previous historical track record? If this is to supplant the hundreds of Mig-21s/23s, what does that say about the success of the LCA in terms of meeting this objective, or the IAF's confidence in its capabilities?

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    The initial requirements though is that Lockheed gets to build the first 150 aircrafts then the rest in India. The Indian government earlier denied the F-16 deal. Seems they (Lockheed) is really trying hard for it. India may not though due to the requirements. It still isn't 100% tech transfer either, and there are probably a lot of strings attached to export those made in India. But we will see.
    The IAF RFI for the "build in India" fighter "thing" hasn´t even been released...
    Lockheed Martin has partnered with TATA to offer the Viper in a (possible) coming IAF competition for a fighter that should be built in India, nothing else, nothing more.
    And if you are going to invent a text, at least do it in some sort of beliavable format.
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    Acording to Shiv Aror, the four aircraft manufacturers who answered to the IN RFI were Boeing, Dassault, Mig-RAC and SAAB (the Swedes are being incredibly optimistic these day´s).
    Lockheed Martin stayed out.

    https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...navy-ring.html

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