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Thread: 2017 F-35 news and discussion thread

  1. #1501
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    @Loke

    I'm referring to all the exercises cited in this newly opened thread and generally all those in which the F-35 has taken part from when it was declared IOC.
    In no one of this there was a direct confrontaiton between it and other plane of 4,5 or 5 gen.

    Maybe precisely for the reason you cited or for its real contrary: no one want to put him/herself (many Nato MoD are actually women) in the position of being forced to admit that the money spent on its latest uber-costly plane (it apply to all the whole lot) were somewhat wasted or that their own defence industry actually propone a plane that it is markedly inferior to the adversary (or than a.t.c. doesn't offer the advantages promised for its extra cost).

  2. #1502
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    I think you are wrong -- in general Western planes are not sold to adversaries of the West...

    And precisely for that reason it does not make sens to pit Rafale/Typhoon against the F-35/F-22... Better to spend the time and money to train scenarios against the most likely adversaries...

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    Maybe precisely for the reason you cited or for its real contrary: no one want to put him/herself (many Nato MoD are actually women) in the position of being forced to admit that the money spent on its latest uber-costly plane (it apply to all the whole lot) were somewhat wasted or that their own defence industry actually propone a plane that it is markedly inferior to the adversary (or than a.t.c. doesn't offer the advantages promised for its extra cost)
    Your essentially looking for western airforces to hold exercises to justify your personal confirmation bias. Just as with your hope for all 4.5, 5th generation aircraft manufacturers to release time to climb-accelerate to supersonic numbers to demonstrate what you view as a critical parameter for fighter aircraft, you now want allies to hold exercises pitting the latest fighters from Europe and U.S. in some sort of "Battle Royale" to prove superiority.

    Needless to say, that isn't going to happen. Right now, the focus is on integration. It is critical for the F-35 and F-22 to be inoperable with allies. They want to test the proper force mix, comms, mission sets and how to utilize each aircraft to the best advantage. Later on, as more F-35 units are added, they will likely become the "fifth generation red air" representing advanced adversaries. That isn't the concern right now, integration is. There aren't any LO fighters in service outside of the U.S. (and perhaps the limited IOC of J-20 with China).

  4. #1504
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    It is critical for the F-35 and F-22 to be inoperable with allies.
    Take it you meant 'operable'?

  5. #1505
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    Autocorrection of interoperable. iPhone's may be considered a "smartphone", but they don't raise the IQ of the user.

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