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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    lol what a flip flopper. first you agree with Mr. Chinabot's post doubting they were flare ejectors, and after a neutral person proved both of you wrong, then you switch your position lol.

    reminds me a lot about the claims of the J-20 not being the same size as the Flanker until Quantum and a bunch of others showed that they were the same, using the same exact sattelite image the naysayers used
    ok Jo Asukura, I don't know why Russian posters keep coming here dismissing Chinese aircraft. A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese like Blitzo enjoy normal conversation and news here and we care about facts

    the J-20 is only slightly longer than f-22. it just LOOKS longer because the f-22 has a huge reflective tail. If it had a smaller tail like the j-20, it would also Look long. for example



    the longest and largest aircraft are always Russian. the PAKFA is longer and bigger than the j-20 and the f-22. especially because of its tandem bays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    pattern looks Russian but the paint type looks a lot like this


    rather than

    the j-20 paint job is superior because it combines high level stealth paint and can combine it with camouflage
    that f-35 has a lot of reflective painting schemes and even if it had none, has no camouflage pattern
    the PAKFA is a normal glossy paint scheme favored by the Russian military because it looks nicer in air shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    lol what a flip flopper. first you agree with Mr. Chinabot's post doubting they were flare ejectors, and after a neutral person proved both of you wrong, then you switch your position lol.
    ? Err read my reply above #112, I did say there was possibility of them being flare ejectors, and I said I wasn't sure if they were flare ejectors. That's pretty different to Byoin or Spudman's posts saying like they definitely believed those topside things weren't or were flare ejectors.

    The entire point of that post (of mine) was to flipflop and say "it might be or it might not be," so I suppose you're right in that regard.



    reminds me a lot about the claims of the J-20 not being the same size as the Flanker until Quantum and a bunch of others showed that they were the same, using the same exact sattelite image the naysayers used
    I'm not sure what you're referring to here, I might not have followed that discussion too closely. I consider the length discussion to have been settled a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzo View Post


    I'm not sure what you're referring to here, I might not have followed that discussion too closely. I consider the length discussion to have been settled a few years back.
    its like pakfa and the sducts, it will never be settled.
    even the j-10s length is underdispute. tons of fanboys claiming it is the same as the f-16 like your friend above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byoin View Post
    ok Jo Asukura, I don't know why Russian posters keep coming here dismissing Chinese aircraft. A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese like Blitzo enjoy normal conversation and news here and we care about facts

    the J-20 is only slightly longer than f-22. it just LOOKS longer because the f-22 has a huge reflective tail. If it had a smaller tail like the j-20, it would also Look long. for example



    the longest and largest aircraft are always Russian. the PAKFA is longer and bigger than the j-20 and the f-22. especially because of its tandem bays.
    please leave my other account out of this, that one is just dedicated to talking about s-ducks.

    and that is a horrible photoshop. no one here thinks the j-20 is as long as the f-22. well except you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    its like pakfa and the sducts, it will never be settled.
    even the j-10s length is underdispute. tons of fanboys claiming it is the same as the f-16 like your friend above
    Mhmm, okay then.

    I'm not sure why J-10s length would be under dispute or why either side would be interested in disputing for or against it in the first place, but I suppose anything can happen here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzo View Post
    Mhmm, okay then.

    I'm not sure why J-10s length would be under dispute or why either side would be interested in disputing for or against it in the first place, but I suppose anything can happen here.
    yeah, i agree it really shouldn't be that interesting to dispute.
    but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

    you don't see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    yeah, i agree it really shouldn't be that interesting to dispute.
    but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

    you don't see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.
    I think every crowd has their own triggers that can be abused or lionized.

    The good thing about this forum is it brings together lots of people following various different military aviation nations to share info that they may not be able to see, but it also causes the opportunity for a lot of mutual trolling, and there are always a few people who seem to get a kick out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    yeah, i agree it really shouldn't be that interesting to dispute.
    but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

    you don't see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.
    I am no chinabot buy you are freaking 1st class idiot/troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxmulder_ms View Post
    I am no chinabot buy you are freaking 1st class idiot/troll.
    why should I buy me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    why should I buy me?
    many contributors here speak english as a second language. its rude to pick out their spelling flaws. lets focus only on content

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    please leave my other account out of this, that one is just dedicated to talking about s-ducks.

    and that is a horrible photoshop. no one here thinks the j-20 is as long as the f-22. well except you
    don't twist my words. I said it is a little bit longer than f-22
    and yes j-10 is the same size as the f-16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    yeah, i agree it really shouldn't be that interesting to dispute.
    but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

    you don't see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.
    For what I have seen 'Murica are ecqually peculiarly sensitive over some other topics, expecially when it come to their Technology is God mindset.
    They usually think as an example that Air combat shift directly from close dogfight with guns (see F-16) to head on BVR engagement at hundreds of km distance (a la F-14/phoenix: 100% miss in US service) and generally they think that the only solution of any problem is to constantly pour heavy amount of new hi-tech gizmos, that would regularly get available just ten years from now...
    Every one has its own sensibility to certain argunents : so as an another example, let's try to talk about European projects without citing my own nation also and you would receive a quite angry reply from my parts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    yeah, i agree it really shouldn't be that interesting to dispute.
    but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

    you don't see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.
    You are aware of the history of the term 3rd world ? Apparently not. There was the 2 superpowers USSR and USSA and then the 3rd world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byoin View Post
    ok Jo Asukura, I don't know why Russian posters keep coming here dismissing Chinese aircraft. A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese like Blitzo enjoy normal conversation and news here and we care about facts

    the J-20 is only slightly longer than f-22. it just LOOKS longer because the f-22 has a huge reflective tail. If it had a smaller tail like the j-20, it would also Look long. for example

    [img]https://s13.postimg.org/s31w59o0n/f_22/img]

    the longest and largest aircraft are always Russian. the PAKFA is longer and bigger than the j-20 and the f-22. especially because of its tandem bays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    yeah, i agree it really shouldn't be that interesting to dispute.
    but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

    you don't see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.
    there is a chinese saying that dates back all the way back to the legendary Drukpa Kunley: "the longer the merrier"
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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    very useful graphic! didn't realize the j-20 and mig 1.44 sizes were so similar.

    do one for the 4th gen with the j-10, mig-29 and f-16

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    these are not properly scaled and comes from a brazilian website.
    j-20 is closer to 20m, pakfa closer to 22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byoin View Post
    don't twist my words. I said it is a little bit longer than f-22
    and yes j-10 is the same size as the f-16
    J-10 is not same size as F-16. There was pics of J-10 parked next to Rafale at Maks airshow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    very useful graphic! didn't realize the j-20 and mig 1.44 sizes were so similar.

    do one for the 4th gen with the j-10, mig-29 and f-16
    Here is a rough comparison. Length is for J-10A. J-10B/C are lightly shorter from what I heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumFX View Post
    Here is a rough comparison. Length is for J-10A. J-10B/C are lightly shorter from what I heard.

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    great thanks. good work on finding all the accurate measurements on the j-10 and j-20.
    always proving the bots wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    great thanks. good work on finding all the accurate measurements on the j-10 and j-20.
    always proving the bots wrong!
    I realy do not know why again you insist in this discussion? The J-10's dimensions were officially confirmed since years and noone with really interest and knowlegde questions them. Noone reliable said it has the size of a J-10. So why always provoking and trolling around with false accusations?
    I'm still waiting for any of your proofs concerning the claims you accused me. I never said the J-20 is only 18 m long and so many other things too ... you are flop-flopping answers, bashing personally instead of argueing ...

    That's indeed all you can ... simply a troll par excellance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byoin View Post
    these are not properly scaled and comes from a brazilian website.
    j-20 is closer to 20m, pakfa closer to 22
    Sigh...

    The lengths coincide with the lengths on Wikipedia for each aircraft.

    The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    why should I buy me?
    More french kisses to my best troll





    On a side note, slightly off topic but can anyone share me a link with F-22 carrying 4 fuel tanks? I believe it did carry it during tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deino View Post
    I realy do not know why again you insist in this discussion? The J-10's dimensions were officially confirmed since years and noone with really interest and knowlegde questions them. Noone reliable said it has the size of a J-10. So why always provoking and trolling around with false accusations?
    I'm still waiting for any of your proofs concerning the claims you accused me. I never said the J-20 is only 18 m long and so many other things too ... you are flop-flopping answers, bashing personally instead of argueing ...

    That's indeed all you can ... simply a troll par excellance.
    Deino....don't take it to heart, especially his personal criticism of you.
    Over the years I've enjoyed your input, as I'm sure many others have, and you have published some wonderful books on Chinese aviation.

    I don't think Y-20 Bacon is being serious....in fact, even when he was F-18 Hamburger almost 20 years ago on this forum, he was much the same.
    I think he provokes to get a discussion going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilhelm View Post
    Deino....don't take it to heart, especially his personal criticism of you.
    Over the years I've enjoyed your input, as I'm sure many others have, and you have published some wonderful books on Chinese aviation.

    I don't think Y-20 Bacon is being serious....in fact, even when he was F-18 Hamburger almost 20 years ago on this forum, he was much the same.
    I think he provokes to get a discussion going.
    he's easily excitable these days and addicted to me! yum

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxmulder_ms View Post
    More french kisses to my best troll





    On a side note, slightly off topic but can anyone share me a link with F-22 carrying 4 fuel tanks? I believe it did carry it during tests.
    love that tongue of yours

    and here you go

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    ahem...you might want to fix that link bacon

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    Quote Originally Posted by obligatory View Post
    ahem...you might want to fix that link bacon
    ok sexy I will!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is...
    and why is that

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